Audio recorded at Buddha House Adelaide. Transcript auto-generated and AI-corrected; may contain errors.
About this talk. In this 62-minute session, Khensur Rinpoche narrates and clarifies the details of his own escape from Tibet — tracing his group’s flight through Chinese-occupied Kham, navigating two converging rivers with enemy forces closing in, crossing a high snow pass where a lead walker probed the depth with a pole taller than a person, and finally descending into the Monpa settlement of Mon Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh, India. Questions arise along the way about Padmasambhava’s founding of Samye monastery under King Songtsen Gampo, the regional-district structure of Sera Je College, the Chushi Gangdruk Tibetan resistance movement, and speaking Tārā statues consulted by high lamas for guidance. The session has the feel of oral history in the making rather than formal dharma instruction.
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File: 59 RS 1991 08 26.mp3
UUID: deb73bc5-55a8-4bae-81d9-f9c805861254
Teacher: Khensur Rinpoche
Collection: Rinpoche's Story (Khensur Rinpoche)
Date: 1991-08-26
Recorded at: Buddha House Adelaide
Duration: 61.8 minutes
Words: ~6,339
Wednesday the twenty sixth of August nineteen ninety two, Session three with Rinpoche. You only stay one night, then it’s left the next day. What do you want to check? Sorry. We have to check.
I can’t remember. There were one’s there. Other is whether gunfire in that area called there or not sure which is the same as me. What’s the same as me? Oh.
Belongs to he’s staying in that area. And That’s good. Mother Chigwari life, don’t you? Mother Chigwari. Rinpoche was born in Darjee.
Yeah. Rupeshai actually was born in Darjee Street, Darjee area. But Darjee is where the gun found, they call it. Just refuse Yeah. House actually rounded with a stop house.
Mhmm. It’s a family house. It’s a very big family house, and they’re already gone. And, also, it’s there around surround there also other house as well. But other house, there also people still live there.
Okay. Good. I’ll send to page five on to page six. Here you go. Anyway and then they asked some of the people.
And then he they told one monk killed last same as the room, which is area, Darje. Mhmm. It’s actually belongs to Darje area. Not Darje. Darje.
Darje. It’s wrong. Belong to Daji area. Daji, not Dawa. One month belong to That that should be Daji then instead of Dawa.
Okay. Is actually that area where the monk where the monk killed. And that monk is that monk belongs to Dharje Right. Which is the same area in the room which is How do you tell this man where he was killed? No.
This is a rod. This is a rod. This This where they killed That’s where the gunfire took place. That’s right. Right.
And the word it’s the same as me, which refers that monk is Came from? Come from. Daji. Oh, cool. Cool part.
What about this other question that over here? You were talking about this business of the mountain heading towards the mountain. Did you cover that? That person with a kid, they already gone towards Mount. Okay.
Yeah. Actually, that monk with the kid, they actually tried to get gun from the army. And army got only one gun, and therefore, they won’t give it. Probably, monk is the the monk’s you know? I don’t know.
Jama is the area. They call. Yeah. J a y m a. And that’s not the name of the pass.
Sorry? Is also? And, yeah, this All area. And Lumba? Lumba is also area.
I see. Yama is named. Lumba is country. I see. Right.
Interesting. High and high. They have snow, and it comes. It’s a main road where they you can drive through, and then and then turn into Yama, which is a valley, actually. It’s a two mountain, and they have a small narrow road.
And they will stay here. They hear they’re hearing about gun fire, and gun fire actually was here next the dock. Next dock? Yeah. And then next day, they went there, and they checked gun the gunfire and killed one there.
And they went up to here, that mountain here when they they had to cross that mountain. Top of mountain there, it’s a cover of snow. Then it come down come down on a mountain, and then there’s a logar around the road. Sorry. What was?
There’s a logar. Logar? Yeah. Loga is one area. Do you have here?
Somewhere before the Loga, it’s it is before the Loga. Tell me. Loga is here. Now they’re climb they’re traveling here, and they have to climb that mountain, a very huge mountain. And there’s cover snow, and they slam there.
Locust on the other side of the mountain. Okay. It’s the other side of further. Right. Yeah.
Further. Further on. And there’s a hole. Right. Okay.
What about Ginger and Thambana. So Sami and Ghanai. Sami Ghanai. Sami Sami and Gombo. Is it during the king’s Songtsen Gampo, and that time, they were in the in by the airport called bodhisattva from Nepal, and he was giving teaching there around that area and also.
And at the time and they have very obstacle from by non harmful, nonhuman being. And, yeah, Sanskrit, they call Mara. And and it’s it’s very being a very obstruct dis distraction. Distracted. Distracted.
And then then they they were asking they were thinking, Valda Padmasambhava from India. They invited Padmasambhava from India. Yeah. And then Padmasambhava did stop all these harmful nonhuman happened in June. It’s a solar power they have a special power.
And he stopped Then Padmasambhava established, monastery at the Samye area, and, it’s a very special ammunition, temple, which is during the day, the human being human work establish that temple in the evening and human being established. So both combination, human being and Spirit. Yeah. So like spirit. Yeah.
Diva? Diva? Yeah. Yeah. It’s a nonhuman being.
And establish that. Which is eminent emanation temple or emanation monastery. Emanation. Is it emanation? Emanate.
Emanate. Monastery. Emanate. Emanate. Monastery.
We call they call it eminent monastery. Which is Samye eminent temple. Absolute. Could we spell that? Samye.
S a n y e? Yep. Juvelhana. How do you spell that? T u e n.
T u e n. J J n. E e K n g. Yeah. Which is a very huge and is a What’s that?
Three stone. Three three stones? Yeah. Stories. See?
That’s the monastery? Yeah. Monastery. Which Are these three words? During the Songtsen Gampo time.
I’m not sure which century. Well, we can make Find out something. Good history of what we can list in here. Which is the Songtsen Gampo. How do you how do spell it?
King Songtsen Gampo. Oh, good. We’ll find the spelling. Yeah. Page nine.
It’s called? Tehoe, t h t h e sorry. T e h o Yep. Tehor. Tehor Khamsin, which is a district Khamsin is a district in, Sera Je monastery, which they have thirteen or fourteen So what was that again?
It was There’s a monastery on within the one college. They have thirteen fifteen district. And each and Rumbuch has district, they’re called Tehor district. Tehor comes in, which is a Tehor district. So that should be now.
Tehor. Right. And so Tehor district house. Was that about to say house? It’s college.
College. You have to say call it’s sort of like more than house, really. Well, you said college just before. This Sera Je is college. Right.
Sera is a human what we call a university. And within Sera, they have two district two two, college. Right. And each college has, have a and it’s for example, Sera Je College have, thirteen thirteen or fourteen districts. Right.
Districts? Yeah. Districts. Scattered around say you don’t have to say house, really. Right.
And the districts, these are scattered around Within the college. Yeah. Within districts within the college. No. No.
Within the college, we have thirteen district. The district, though, these districts are around the country, around Canada. No. It’s not it’s not district. I think they hear it talking about the Sera ji monastery, which is those monks from Sera ji monastery.
Yeah. And which district? Teo district. Where can the monks come from? Teo district.
Yeah. Or Teo Kamsen, which is what we call Teo Kamsen. Yeah. So and there are other districts Yeah. Come from?
Yeah. Right. But this those fifty, sixty months from Tewa district. Mhmm. So Rin Rinpoche, he came from the Tewa district.
Yeah. That’s right. Yeah. And his hometown Rinpoche Yeah. Is in the district.
Is that right? His home hometown Rinpoche is just where he was born. That’s a small village. It’s not in the district. No.
No. If he goes in monk monastery, he have to go to tell district. District. Are we getting are we as I understand it, you’ve got say But, also, is that same district? Is it?
District. Is that the same Yes. That’s where it’s built. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
There we can we can make it within the monastery. District within a monastery? Yeah. Is there a better well, it makes me wonder, is there a better I just built a town. Yeah.
Khamsin. Yeah. Khamsin means Khamsin means district, really. Oh, the monastery? District, really.
Within the monastery? Yeah. Mhmm. This monastery is huge. It’s not you don’t mean it’s a college or or or within the college?
They have three Houses? Yeah. Not a house. I mean It’s best to call it district. Yeah.
Right. If you put a Tibetan name, you just put Tel Compton. Right. Which is Compton is actually district. They were staying they went up there and staying there.
Also, Rinpoche have to go this part, way, and they also, you know, joined together. It’s like and it’s not joined. It’s they also live so like part. Right. So was this group already there when Rinpoche’s group came out?
Yeah. Right. Good. Alright. No.
That didn’t follow any other one. Rinpoche doesn’t know. Look. This is the end of page nine and start of page ten. It’s twelve o’clock.
So shall we finish now? Beginner or the establish is actually Nyingma tradition, which is, you know, old yeah. Which is a. It’s a head of the Nyingma A n b h o b a. Alright.
He so that was establishment of the. Yeah. It’s the beginning. The long term. I think it must be many centuries.
But later, it might be changed other saint. But Rinpochei said, this is the beginning. Then Samba was started. Wednesday the second of September nineteen ninety two. No, they didn’t join the Algoida.
Yeah. I thought that’s context of the story. So that’s yeah. Is very big. You can’t cross without something to support or board Oh, yeah.
Leather board. So did they use a boat? No. I don’t think about it. Let me say it’s very big.
You can’t go cross with that boat. They had mules and so on. Yeah. Did they cross it at all? I just you want to know about how big is the river.
They have, I think, river band or what do you call A forward, a a place where the river gets lower. No. No. Walk across. No.
No. No. No. It’s a Normally, have people taking ferry. A ferry?
Yeah. Mhmm. And Mhmm. We Mhmm. Is that?
How would you spell that? U g. I’m sorry. Could you It’s a which is a tongue. Mhmm.
And it’s not Tadung, which is a Tadung. Mhmm. Could you T r a Tadung, d u g. Right. And it’s a town rather than a village.
Yeah. So it’s quite big. Quite big. Yeah. Right.
And what about the river? Now did they catch a ferry to get across? Yeah. They did. They did catch a leather leather board.
Mhmm. Right. Good. And the statue that speaks, can Rinpoche say a little more about that? And were there other statues like that in that is that the Tibet, there are many statues speaking even in Lhasa or somewhere in the west part of Tibet.
There are many other statues that I speak. Mhmm. Yeah. Is is that at any any time at all, or are there special Oh, special. Yeah.
It’s not ordinary. We never hearing about his she or his speaking. It’s only the person who the great practitioner, you know, he have who they have a very realization where they have the realization about. Is Vratad normally a lama? Yeah.
Mostly high lama and yeah. No. Not ordinary people see and speak at this stage. Only the high lama and good good practitioner. And and is that done a little like the the divination with the the mog?
No. No. But it doesn’t serve a similar purpose? Sorry? Does it serve a similar purpose?
You know, does it do a similar thing if you want to know about the future? The if you want to request, she will give you a broad information about in the future, but it’s not like a definition. Yeah. It’s a pure it’s like a other human being. Sorry?
It’s It’s like other human being to talking about talking with you, conversation with you. Right. But it’s not another human being, is it? No. It’s it’s Is it stage regarded as a as a a spirit?
Yeah. Oh, stage we call. Mhmm. Tārā. Tārā?
Yeah. This is a female. bodhisattva. Yeah. Mhmm.
So it’s bodhisattva speaking through the statue. Is No. No. Statue speaks that person Buddha. Yeah.
And it’s like Buddha. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. If we we have to Oh, I see.
And people when people when they did that, they make a pilgrimage to the statue and ask questions? Only the Only the person who would have a good prediction. Would the Hailamas do this for other people? Say you or I wanted to ask the Tārā something, would we request a Hailama to do that? Yes.
Right. Okay. D o n D o n Yeah. A n. So A.
Dolma, m a. Right. Mhmm. Not Chorum, which is consort. No.
Sorry. She’s a which is which is we don’t have a consort. Means is actually talking about is not he doesn’t have a consort. Right. Yeah.
Yeah. It’s alright. No. When when the Śākyamūni came in, you know, India, yeah, he was in Gelung, which is a food ordination monk. Uh-huh.
Right. Yeah. This room which is the mother’s mother’s science in the relative. Relative. They’re they’re named earlier in the book, aren’t they?
Yeah. I’m not sure. Oh. I haven’t read the book. Oh, yes.
What were the names of? When they call Their name is, which is the older one, and the younger one is. Could you spell that? J a m p a. Yes.
Namja, n a m N a n. N a m m. Okay. G a y n. Namja Uh-huh.
Is the oldest one. And Jampatinzin, j a m p a d n z I n. Right. I think they are mentioned earlier. Good.
Thank you. Yes. This This one. One was an India already. India.
Yeah. And one was with Let me see. L L o k h a. Right. Okay.
Good. Uncontrollable is means because the Chinese invaded Haza. Now the guerrilla is also going to getting scared or exiled somewhere. And most of the Haza people leave. They’re also escaping.
Most people, they’re going to now escape. Mhmm. Because the Chinese invade now, Chinese will come on in Loka, actually. Therefore, it’s not controllable. And so this mad Loka Yeah.
He he he Is that the person’s name? That’s what what we think so. Isn’t it? Loda. L?
L o d h a. That’s the man’s name? Yeah. Good. Loda, which is Lobsangdawar, l o b s a n g.
No. Yeah. L o b s a n g. L o b s a n g. D a w a.
Bro. Yeah. Which is d h a w a. Lobsing tower. Yeah.
Which is make it short. Ah, Lodha. Yeah. Right. Spring two.
Yes. Yeah. Chinese invade already in plaza. Yeah. Therefore, now Chinese will come in weather where he live, and also guerrilla army also going to escape.
Well, he he’s the supply manager for the guerrilla army. Yeah. So he’s part of the army. But he try wanting to lead the guerrilla giving supply food for army. Yeah.
Where did he run away to? With card. Did he join? No. We don’t.
On own too. Yeah. Yeah. He got his own. Does this mean that many people in the Tibetan guerrilla army became demoralized and ran away?
Yeah. It does. Yes. Yeah. It does.
Very sad. They have to leave. Yeah. Return to his offer because yeah. It’s Amber and or whatever they got.
So getting run out, and, therefore, he offer whatever they want, say, al tsampa or dry meat and anything. Mhmm. Tea, whatever they got, they’re told, take it as much as they like. Good. Yes.
Rinpoche says Yeah. That’s right. Good. Good. Is the right of the which is the the statue where the statue place.
The grocery was at this place? Right near there. Yeah. Right. And then let’s see here.
Yeah. And and so they spoke with the grocer, grocer, the supplier Yeah. When they were visiting the statue. Is that right? Just right next to the Tadu Dormas.
Mhmm. Next to the statue. So they visited the statue, then they spoke to this person. Yeah. They met there.
Right. Right. Good. One hour. This is to walk or to walk?
Oh, to walk. Yeah. To walk. Yeah. Good.
Top of page twelve. Sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. He when they arrived there at Taruk place, and the student’s uncle heard Rumuche and their group arrived in there.
And then he came and visited Rumuche and bought a horse, and then they ride a horse to his place. He brought a horse with him? Yeah. With him. Born in Potashira.
Potashira. Yeah. Good idea. Yeah. We’ve gone already, and the statue is located near the the river when you cross the river.
And, Sami, there is a bridge over here. This right this right. And this you have to change change that. That’s spelled T r a d u g. Yeah.
Yeah. So first, there was Sami, then there was tad tadu. Yeah. Yeah. When you cross the river Yeah.
Right. As there, you see tadu, which is we’re talking So that paragraph is just repeating Yeah. What was on the page before. But not so repeating because at Sami, there is a bridge over the river. Is this before or after?
No. No. No. It’s the same river, but the room which you’re talking bridge is also if you look up there, a little bit further, they also they have another bridge. Oh, they didn’t cross there, though.
They didn’t They just left, didn’t they? Yeah. Alright. And uncle uncle he’s given a name here. How would you spell his name?
I think that’s probably not right. Yeah. Chinsy. Yeah. Y a t h a r.
T h a r? Yeah. Yeah. And Chinsy? Chinsy, c h o zed e.
Yeah. Was the uncle’s name. Yeah. I was staying there. Was that the uncle Yeah.
We visited. Visiting. Yeah. Right. Right.
Necessarily right. Pobha, which is cup. Same other cup or pobha? Oh, right. Pobha.
Is that a Tibetan word? Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Oh, I understand.
Yeah. I don’t think you’re right. Okay. Good. Yeah.
It’s not actually rules. They’re they’re not he’s not come for Buddhist rules, monks, traveling. Right. But it’s when he went to show, which is he had to go studying have to go teaching, listening, and memorization, other things. And while he was when he traveled there, you’re not allowed to take anything because only he take he can take his speech tanks and tanks tanks and and wooden cup.
Books. Yeah. Text books. He takes a book. Yeah.
Mhmm. And this only he allowed to take. And when he went there and he couldn’t get back because he had to leave from there, therefore, don’t have anything bring with him. Mhmm. Yeah.
Right. Yes. He was giving those teachings, wasn’t he? Yeah. He’s coming here soon, isn’t he?
Yes. Yeah. Yes. Got the news letter yesterday. Is there not a student?
He was only traveling with us attendance. Yeah. Yeah. Student at all. No student at all.
Right. Right. Mhmm. Yeah. It would not be usual, would it, for a lama like him to take his student with him when he traveled?
Not in that time. No. Right. Yeah. He drank.
He had a stop had a drinking stop, and then they what what did what’s Rinpoche say? Rinpoche’s telling his story about the Jamaica, how he escaped. And I think that’s already in It’s already in there. Somewhere here. Oh, right.
Right. Okay. Rinpoche or because he This would be after. Oh, then Tawang. Tawang.
Yeah. T a w W a n g. Right. Mon Tawang Gompa. Mon Tawang.
How would you spell that? M o n. Two separate words. Yeah. T Yeah.
A n w n g. Is the place, and is the place of monastery. Right. Right. Of course.
Okay. And that’s at that point in the story, so we can keep we keep that part in, shall we? That’s right. This, I think, you have to take another capital because because this is a Indian place. So They already already arrive in India now.
So this is oh, I see. Arunachal Pradesh is part of Indian state. Yeah. Right. So maybe this paragraph should be moved forward Yeah.
To the chapter section on India. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I’ll check that out.
Arriving Sonu is a Tibetan place. Yeah. Just before arriving in a town. Right. Before the town.
Right. In Toner. Yeah. Alright. So this is this is is probably the story must have jumped.
Yeah. Absolutely. We’ve come to there’s more traveling more traveling story to go is there before we start describing India. Yeah. So probably this is now in India.
And the place before arriving at which means is a Tibetan place. Yeah. And when you arrive at, then next is which is Indian. The. When further and you get and then you cross and Indian place.
Probably in the revision, this paragraph two goes back earlier. It hasn’t belong earlier. Yeah. It’s on so, yeah, that’s wrong. That’s correct, is it?
Yeah. Right. They climbed up the pass. Ugundu? Yeah.
And how would you spell that? C h c h u c h Same word? No. S h I S h. R, g o n.
Separate word? No. Separate. G o n g gongdu, d u r g. Gongdu.
Is that right? Yeah. Two words? Two words. Yeah.
Yeah. Right. And that means the Tibetan guru does it translate literally? What does is Chu. Chu is four water.
Chu shi line. The river. Four big river? Yeah. It’s is water, and she is four, but it’s four big river.
In camp, is it? No. No. That’s you want the explanation about the Chushi Gangdruk? Right.
Yeah. Four big river. Yeah. Chushi. Yeah.
And Gangdruk. They’re talking about place with the high place. Four heel four heels. Right. No.
Six Turwa. Six heels. Mhmm. It’s a bong too. Right.
And this this is referring to Tibet. Yeah. This in Tibet. Yeah. People who living near river, there’s with and Gongju is people who living on all the hill.
Right. And all the which is there symbolize all over the Tibet. Right. Together, all those people together. So it still symbolizes four rivers.
Yeah. Four rivers. Yeah. There’s six hills. Alright.
Four rivers and six hills. It has all other part of Tibet. Yes. Different part of Tibet. And so for you know, in Australia, we have army defense.
We have Adelaide from Adelaide Yeah. And Melbourne, Tasmania, and also that that’s what they instead of saying a name, just just describe a place. Right. I under K. Chushi Gangdruk.
Oh, thank you. Next time. Thank you. We’ll explain Chushi Gangdruk. Yeah.
Right. Now page sixteen. This one next time is Right. Was just going to say how are we going for time? It’s nearly twelve.
Yeah. I think we stop here. Maybe we check with this one next time. Sixteen. Right.
Could you ask Rinpoche what can the next time be? What day is convenient? Yeah. Wednesday, the ninth of September nineteen ninety two. So we’re starting now at the top of page sixteen.
Before we That’s the river. There’s a river, and there’s a road to go to. And there’s a big mountain here, and then is the round small. Right. And China is already here.
Now they came through this way. Instead of going climb that mountain Mhmm. They come here and around go around there. Between between the river and the mountain? Yeah.
And then go to beside the river. And they have to cross there because there’s a one river, another river. Right. And there’s a big mountain. And the Chinese are already here.
And there’s a talking room, which is they have to go here to there very fast. Otherwise, Chinese might be catch here for them. Oh, so that’s following another river that comes into this when they were following it first. There’s two river. This one river and this river, and is around here.
And they come here. They know Chinese already here. They come here, comes beside that river, and cross that big river, which is there, another river, come together. Yeah. Which way is the water flowing in those rivers?
The gun going this way. Both rivers? Both rivers. Yeah. That way.
Yeah. And they came here. Yeah. I think downstream is actually here. If This area?
Yeah. This area. There’s also river because they know Chinese already here. If they don’t go very fast in between here to there Right. Chinese might be catch here.
I see. And they pass it here, that road, and they stay here at night. What’s the name of that place? Was that is that good? No.
I don’t know. Perhaps it’s in the story. This may be further on in the story. Yeah. And then there’s the Indian border.
Ah. And they stay not here. They pass this. Yeah. I can’t keep that sketch map, can I?
Because it’s written on something else. It’s on a card or something. Yeah. Yeah. You better know.
It’s written on a letter. Yeah. I can copy that. Oh, that might be helpful because it’s if Jen is reading it and listening to the tape, it’s it’s it may be easier to understand if she can see what the diagram was at the same time. Alright.
I should bring some paper for you to copy. No. I I did go to paper. Okay. Okay.
Or you could write it on here on the on the back of of the book here. There’s a pen pencil. So All mountain. That’s just by the border. Yeah.
Yeah. Mountain. And Yes. Yeah. It’s a winter time.
It was winter. Yeah. What was Rinpoche talking about? Into winter. Getting in He was counting through the months, was he?
Yeah. He’s counting. And is it correct that from the moment they left NASA to arriving in India, that was about one month? It didn’t take long. I’m not sure.
Could you And the earn another. So they went to this food part is, I think, in beside the river. A food part. Good. And and missed the the path to its owner altogether.
Yeah. Missed. Just yeah. Right. Good.
Alright. Winter? Yeah. And what about the length of time? One month?
Or Oh, again, now has a course. And fourteen days. Days. Probably one month and fourteen days? Yeah.
That’s a little diary referring to. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a diary he kept on his trip. No.
No. No. No. No. You just made it.
Oh, it’s a calendar. No. No. It’s a. It’s a more.
Yeah. It’s page seventeen. Good. Is that a continuation of the Yeah. Yeah.
So what I did moor here, and whether we go this way or we go just go around. Before they Yeah. Followed the rivers or Yeah. And they got more observation down on this way. Mhmm.
And they went here. Mhmm. And then they made one person here around. They did Right. At that point, you went across the And is there one food path?
This old snow mountain around the old here. Mhmm. And as well as this one. Alright. And So that’s a path.
Yeah. Yeah. Have to climb mountain. And they went, actually, just right here, went there, and they stay or not here. Yeah.
And they did observation Mhmm. And then the Jamaican observation shows in this way. Mhmm. And they went they didn’t listen about this man because he told, you shouldn’t go this way. Chinese mother catch here.
Yeah. And he told her, you shouldn’t go this way. If you go this way, then you should crawl along. And they went they don’t they didn’t listen for the person. They did more.
And more shows in this way. Right. Yeah. They’ve cast them out quite a few times. Hasn’t they?
Just in here, it shows in this way. Yeah. And then this so one person. Yeah. And he told him, he should go this way.
That’s where they cast the second law. Yeah. The second law another time. Right? Mhmm.
It’s just Right. This stuff on page seventeen about going Chinese still not right here. Mhmm. Where is that house? Where was that house there?
They’re getting to the. In the. In that case, they don’t have a to eat, and took a little bit. They’re getting desperate. Right?
Alright. Just a bit. They took a little. And there’s no one living there, and they so, actually, they told them that Well, they they would stay in the desperate times. Okay?
Yes. Okay. So they traveled all night. Top of page eighteen. I don’t remember exact actually, he told in previous.
But when they took all the meat, dry meat, and things, and they went travel further, and they met people up on a hill, on a mountain, and they asking for them. They ask actually, Rumi Rumi’s party asked them. They would talk with them, and, actually, that house owned by those people who they live, they met on a mountain. Mhmm. And they’re asking give some money because they took some food, and they give a bit of money for them for them.
Right. So that’s I’m not sure that it might be it might be in there. Yeah. I don’t remember it, but, yeah, we’ll Yeah. We’ve got it now.
We can slip it in. Yeah. Yeah. Just between between around here. Yeah.
Crossing the path, and that’s at one place. Yeah. One place. Yeah. It’s as shown on the map.
Good. It’s come Dheke. Allah. Dheke. It’s actually there from Dheke.
And From from where? From Dheke. Dheke? Yeah. Not Dheke.
Ah, how do you how do you spell this place, Dege? D h e r D h e r, Dege, g e. Alright. Yeah. And where is that in camp?
It’s in camp. Yeah. Is called. It’s not, which is Tibetan’s family name. It’s his name is Namjadolji, but he’s they’re called Chagut Chagut Namjadolji.
How would we spell all that then? Chagut is J a g o u e. The person he’s come that person who they come from, that family called his name is Namjadolji. Mhmm. And How do you spell that?
M a m N. A n m m Namjang, g y a l y a l. Namjang Dongye Doji, d o r g e. Dongye, g j e. Yeah.
Jaguja Namjadurji. Alright. That and this was the the person one of the people in this group that they they met. Right. Page nineteen.
Well, not. And how would you spell? L a Lase, t s e. Alright. And this other word?
Tarjo, d a r Mhmm. C h o. Now is is that the name of the prayer flag? No. No.
No. It’s just they call yeah. I guess so. La is top mountain Mhmm. And top of the mountain flag, something like that.
I see. And was that would they give that name to every prayer flag? No. No. No.
Just to this one this one. This one particular prayer flag. So prayer flag not actual name, but they just call it. Alright. To say they have one flag on top of a mountain.
It’s between Tibet and India. Mhmm. And they put all the Piles. Piles of stone. To mark the border?
Yeah. So, like, mark the border. Right. And so that name, that’s it. That You don’t have to say actually there because you just say flag.
Oh. Yeah. Right. So that just means a flag on top of the Yeah. The hill.
Top of the mountain between Tibet and India. Okay. So so it was marking the border? Marking border. Yeah.
That’s right. Good. Good. You know, don’t have to say really. Good.
Okay. Fine. It is. That’s correct. Pain is twenty.
A second small mountain they had to come. Right. That’s right. Good. Good.
The other one. Right. Is it Sorry. Higher than One meter. Right.
Is it bought with a stick. Yeah. Same size of person, maybe a little bit bigger. A bit higher than a person. And did any of them walk into it?
Sorry? Did any of them go into the snow like that, or they managed to avoid it? Mhmm. What going down in the snow? Yeah.
They said they have it’s snow, and during the day, they have sun. Mhmm. Sunny. And the snow melt. And at night, it goes very rock.
Yeah. And it’s called a storm. And they go one person first, and everybody follow that way the person first person Yeah. Step on. And does a first person measure with a long stick?
Yeah. Long stick. And sometimes they check how deep Mhmm. Snow is, and they go to stick a little bit higher than the person. Uh-huh.
And and sometimes all the stick go down. Right. And sometimes, you know, it’s still not in there. It’s in more than one meter. So it’d better Probably.
To go another place then. Otherwise, it’d hard going. What’s the meter? Pro probably two meters. Oh.
Good. Okay. Yeah. They I heard there’s a summer road, but if it’s really winter, then they never get away this way because it’s Oh. A bit of end of end of winter and summer.
I see. Yeah. And they they their expression for that was to call it a a summer rain. Yeah. Something like that.
Yeah. Right. The colloquial expression. Yeah. Summer rain.
Right. Right. They climb on a mountain, they see it down a valley, and it’s beautiful, covered by grass, green. Green. Yeah.
And it’s so nice and beautiful. And, also, this is sort of like a village, and they went down. And and when they went in and they also went down Gompa. Down Gompa, which is the monastery and temple. Mhmm.
And some sometime they went into a village, and some members, they ran away, you know, because they’re a bit far, I guess. And they actually ran. Yeah. They ran away. Yeah.
The Monpa, that’s the name of their group, their ethnic group. Is it? Like we say So, like, it’s actually long time, historically, you said Tibet. Mhmm. Yeah.
But They’re ethnic group that have been in Tibet for a long time. Long time. Times. Mhmm. But this time, this is India.
Is this now India? Yeah. They have now they have now passed that hill, that mountain with the prayer plant. Yeah. And Now they are in India.
Yeah. They are in India. Right. Okay. When Tawang is also now Indian part.
Alright. Right. Themselves, they got their own food. Oh, so that that was a misunderstanding. We’ll we’ll cut that out.
Help themselves probably reverse to their own food. They they ate their own food, and then later they’re When they arrive in Tawang, and they use their own food. And later, Monpa come back and start helping to give more food. Right. Monastery?
Mon Tawang Gompa. How would you spell that? M o n t n T T, man, t a w a n g. Mon Tawang Gompa. Mon Tawang Yeah.
That’s quickly page twenty nine. Mon Tawang is covered and, yes, it was the eleventh day of the fourth Tibetan month. They’ve already arrived in India, so the heading arriving in India should come earlier. Probably just after that bit of that seeing the prayer flag. Prayer.
Point at the point. Yeah. Right. Right. Seven people are not, I think, in India.
India. Oh. Probably is in here. When Uh-huh. Here, where the where Jamaican Jamaican.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. They met. And those seven people joined? They’re great.
And those seven people traveling in the same direction? Yeah. Same. They come with them. And Jen also said there were two donkeys.
And they were. Yeah. Or were they mules? Yeah. Yeah.
They they had two donkeys. They were donkeys, not eels? No. Yeah. Okay.
Donkeys. They call it summer road. Yeah. They they normally call it summer road because they know nobody can go during the winter. Mhmm.
They normally call it summer road, but they’re surprised before they cross during the winter. And at that time, every road is closed, really? The are there? Every road is closed. Yeah.
Right. Sorry. Every road is covered. Cover. Cover.
But you can still travel on them if you’re foolish. Is that would that be right? Could you ask me if say that? Is that correct? Fine.
What? Every road is covered over, but you can still travel on the road. Yeah. Can you? Yeah.
Or can you still travel on it? Yeah. You can still not travel. Yeah. But would you be a little foolish to do that?
I don’t think so. Oh, okay. Alright. For this particular road Yeah. The Indians said this is a Yeah.
Yeah. Indians, they think that there’s only summer they can travel. Oh. But the Tibetan, they cross during winter. Right.
Therefore, they’re very surprised. Mhmm. Mhmm. I’m seeing our office, Indian office, army office, which is just near the Tawang. And What’s that?
Tawang. Yeah. And the army’s army office, they’re very surprised for they cross the summer road for during the winter. Yeah. And then they they give you all the names.
Okay.