Audio recorded at Buddha House Adelaide. Transcript auto-generated and AI-corrected; may contain errors.
About this talk. The session opens mid-ritual — Khensur Rinpoche and an interviewer untangling the correct clapping rhythm for a Singhamukha (lion-faced deity) practice — before shifting to its real purpose: a 90-minute working interview tracing Rinpoche’s life story for a biographical record. He covers his childhood in Kham, entering Dage Gompa monastery before Chinese troops destroyed it in 1933, his family’s flight to Chamdo, and the month-long journey to Lhasa in early 1945 to join Sera Je Monastery. A standout passage recounts the rare two-month Kangyur oral transmission he received at Sera — roughly four hundred attendees — which gave him the title Kangyurwa. Considerable time goes to reconciling Tibetan and Western calendar dates and verifying the sequence of his monastic study classes.
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File: 51 RS 1991 06 23.mp3
UUID: ab0b2525-0189-4eca-b808-eea936d363a7
Teacher: Khensur Rinpoche
Collection: Rinpoche's Story (Khensur Rinpoche)
Date: 1991-06-23
Recorded at: Buddha House Adelaide
Duration: 90.1 minutes
Words: ~5,058
Slow. As you chant. Yeah. You clap as you chant. With Singhamukha, the lion faced one.
Young E. Dom Nagmo. M a. D o m m a. Right.
So it’s a you just keep combinations of of three claps. Oh, that’s three clap three times and chant, then clap three times and chant, and clap three times and chant. That’s where I got confused. And that’s where Rinpoche got one extra somewhere along the line. So the during during during the part of the part of the recitation, there’s there’s twelve claps, and then later on then at the end you it’s it’s just keeping a rhythm clapping.
But there’s And so he this is when he made a mistake in clapping. In which part? The twelve? So after the twelve twelve clap, he he he he clapped another time. I mean, it’s when he made a mistake.
I’ve got something here. In in the right hand, there’s an iron wheel. And in the left hand, there’s various negatives. It’s hindrances, and they’re smashed against the iron wheel. Is that just in the the lion faced deities clapping?
The Or all clapping? So that’s in general that one one thinks that one has iron wheels in each hand. Oh. And smashing between the two iron wheels, one’s negativities and hindrances. Oh, an iron wheel in either hand?
In both hands. Oh, so it’s just in your mind. It’s not actual physical. It’s just in the mind. Oh, that’s great.
We’re all clapping. Yeah. Great. Let’s put that one. So was this Rinpochede’s first when this happened?
Got into trouble was in the upper class. But was he just one class above Rinpoche, or was he in a much higher class? Because my body’s very tall. Oh. It was two classes of a Two classes.
Oh, good. So he was in. The chin. Right? Maybe maybe it was in.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I’ll say about two classes above. Now page three when it becomes in, when that told him to go to his teacher’s room to be beaten again, or did some students come and give him that message? Where is he supposed to go?
Oh, I wanna know where the the Yeah. But where is he supposed to go? Oh, to his teacher’s room. One Just had a pair of the message. Right?
He sent me a message. Okay. He’s only fifty or sixty years old, and he’s all bent over. Why would that be? In the west?
The in the west, the same age, they they get around very well, people that age. Yeah. What’s wrong with Tibet? So much sitting and meditating. They don’t they don’t take care of they don’t take care of their health.
Forty seven? Forty seven. He was just coming. Yeah. He came he went he arrived in Lhasa at forty four?
Forty four. I’ve got forty five. Yeah. That’s okay. Forty five to make it eight.
He was in Shunsarpa. I’ve got that he became a monk on the first day of the new year of forty five, but that’s actually Tibetan year, not Western year. So just check with him. Probably probably forty Tell Rinpoche it’s quite good if we can get both Tibetan dates and Western dates. So if he can just supply Tibetan dates, that’s alright too.
Yeah, that’s good. So I’ve got. Then I’ve got nineteen thirty two, Rinpoche Tukten becomes a monk at Dage Gompa in Kham. But he didn’t become a monk. He just entered the monastery.
Entered the mon okay. But good. That’s good. Better to get this straight. Enter the monastery.
He had he had decided to become a monk, he entered the monastery. So so that’s the he just entered the monastery. Good. Yes. See, all this is important.
Yeah. He’s done that, then he’s allowed to attain enlightenment assemblies and things like that along with the monks. He said he can drink tea and eat with the monks. Did they have a little ceremony when he went there? I forgot.
No. Just just joining. Now I think, really, I should have when he was given his name, should I put that in? That was before he went to the monastery, wasn’t it? So perhaps I could Can I get his teacher talked with the abbot about him entering the monastery and he talked with the disciplinarian and he offered tea and scarf to the abbot?
That was all that happened. Name at the age of three? That’s right. So I should really put that in. That would make it twin nineteen twenty eight, wouldn’t it?
You just said, yeah. Yeah. So besides that, is there anything else Rinpoche wants to add that thinks important that we should Okay. So he’ll say if he wants something added. Okay.
About when he peed on the stones and put the fire out? That what well, how old was he then? What year would he have been? About nineteen thirties? Around about nineteen thirty.
Gulen, when would that have been? When? Lhaptag. In the village? Laptaek.
In Venda. In Rinda, but he started he started studying at the age of eight, probably. He started studying the alphabet. Oh, that’s at Dage. He just had So they after they only stayed at Darget for one year, and then it was destroyed by the Chinese?
Oh, that’s right. That was so that was nineteen thirty three, it was destroyed. Was that At the age of age of eight. Yeah. Just check the year.
Checked on — can’t remember. Maybe when he was — He returned to his home, then he began to study at home, studying the alphabet. So how old would Rinpoche have been when Mao Tse Tung’s troops sort of fled from Chiang Kai-shek into Kham, went past Rinda? How old was he then? Can the the Mao Tse Tung give Mao’s troops come?
Oh, it was after Dage was destroyed. Yeah. They had already been destroyed a few years previously. So I’ve got because it says he’s happy with what I’m saying. Isn’t it?
Most of the monks went Uh-huh. Yes. So at that time so his area that he was living in was under Chinese control. And Chamdo was an area which was still considered part of Tibet. Oh.
So that’s why they that’s why they went to Chamdo. Oh, thank you. I was clear on that. So what was the the the main place — was it Trehor — the main place of administration in in in? Yeah.
Fort. Fort. Yeah. So it’s a castle of some sort. A castle or whatever.
That was the seed of the government too. There was a previously it had been owned by a very rich man. Was like had become a the compound of the government. The government compound. The Chinese controlled at the time.
Chinese didn’t advance past because they would have had to fight with the the Tibetans. So there was a Was that the river? The samsa — coracle. Samsa. Is the the leather boat that they take to cross the river.
Yeah. So this was this was the the the boundary of Chinese control up to that river. What’s the river called? Why did you say Kor? Sorry.
Drichu. Is that the river? That’s the name of the river. Drichu. The name of the river is Drichu.
Dichi. The name of the river is Duchi. Oh, that’s right. Kindly gave me a copy of his map. Oh, Duchi.
Duchi. That’s the name of the river. So that was the point. Write that. Do you ask him?
Duchi. No. No. Juchu. That’s in that’s Yeah.
That’s the name of the river. Okay. And that’s the that’s the boundary of Chinese control. Refuge at at Chando. Chando.
Took refuge That that was the this Dalai Lama. That was the the representative of the of the Dalai Lama of the government of Tibet was was situated in Chamdo. So mean, I so most of them, it wasn’t so much they went there to do trading. Right. They just took refuge there.
Took refuge. They became refugees. So they fled to Chamdo because that was that was outside of Chinese control at that time. I see. Okay.
So did they they join a monastery there? Or Then Chamdo — the Gompa Sukhparabe. Chamdo Gompa. So they the Tibetan government assisted them materially with food and things like that. How many days travel would Trehor have been in those in those times from Dage?
Maybe five days. By horse. So so then then we’ve got the school bit. I’ve got that as thirty four to thirty seven. He joined Ganden Rinpoche’s school.
Well, what he said is not a school, but and began to study Tibetan language, writing, and grammar, and to memorize texts. The winter was for studying during the summer. He heard it with his father. You could just check that and if he wants the term school or just some other word. What is he saying?
No. That’s that’s okay. Is it? Ganden — yes. A Ganden Rinpoche.
To school. Mhmm. And some of the village boys, they went together, and they studied with in the him. I’ve got nineteen thirty eight is when Mao came. That would that be correct?
I’ll just check that. I’m not sure why I’ve got that Return to his father’s house and worked. Just ask him, did he work with his father for a couple of years on the farm? Oh, he’s been working with his father. District road chain.
What’s the next district? The Close to close to. Chin. Chin. Ting chin.
Ting there’s there’s these are close together with Ngom Chu and Za Chu. Chamdo was at the confluence of these two rivers. Mo Chamdo. Yes. Do I got that there?
Okay. You go. Yeah. So that’s not chance is not the capital. Come on.
I have to keep getting rid of that. Yeah. I have this. I remember you said there was no monastery. Why have I got or maybe there was no place for the monks from Dage, but that it had its own monastery.
Was it called? And six months later, they returned to Yeah. New that period at Dage. Is that just to clarify that. Yeah.
Yeah. Yaka. My man. Dage. What?
How do you what how do you write that? Yani. Yani. Do you wanna write it? It’s I’d have to look up the spelling.
Okay. It’s in that Yeah. Geshe Zopa’s book. Is it? Okay.
Yeah. Was it at the end of Yane that they had the opera performance every year? No. Okay. So it was at the sort of similar masks, the one we saw in the book on Friday.
That beautiful Oh, yeah. That’s right. It was that it actually at Dage that had that dance. Yes. Gompadour was a a flat area, and they would construct a tent.
They would put up a tent and have the opera in the tent. Oh, really big tent. The ko tempo rube. So did all the people and the laypeople come also? Laypeople.
It’d be like a picnic. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s hundreds and hundreds of people. So they had finished their fieldwork, so many people would come at that time.
Oh, right. So what time of year would that be? The eighth month of Tibetan year. Great. Eighth month.
And when does the rain start in Tibetan year? The rains. The rain in the season retreat? No. No.
Yeah. Month from the sixth to the the fifty. So from the from this from the fifteenth day of this of the sixth month until the beginning of the eighth month? The beginning of the eighth month. Until the beginning of the eighth month, so it’s one and a half months long.
Yeah. Seventh month. So it’s one and a half months. Two or three days making making preparations for the the opera. Okay.
Then they said that they would have the opera. Did the did the monks put it on or the laypeople? All the actors in the opera were monks. What did you call it, the opera? Oh, sorry.
What did you say that? All the actors? Were they the performers were monks in in the opera? Oh, oh, sorry. It’s the opera.
Nineteen forty three must be completed, would that be? Because they’re already there. They’re being completed. The traffics of the The the cups of the. I don’t he doesn’t think there was any particular special ceremony.
Why have I got that then? Forty three, it’s rebuilt and all the monks return. Is that is that That’s right. Is it right? That’s right.
But they don’t crosses out. There wasn’t necessarily a special ceremony. He went here. Went via. In forty three.
That’s right. Oh. Yeah. Twenty So and and then he arrived in Lhasa in forty four. So he stayed a a year whole year in the by the way.
So he left he left his he left Kham in forty three. He went to Chamduron, then left Chamdo in forty four. Mhmm. What part of of Tibet is is Chamdo called? I mean, what’s the area around it?
The Chamdo. Chamdo, the Sache Minkare Minkare Segare. It’s not is it? It’s in cum. So it’s in in Tibetan not Chinese.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. That’s why I was getting confused, I think. Mhmm. So it’s it actually is the capital of Tibetan, isn’t But I guess Oh, no.
No. I won’t call it then. Kama is a very big area. It had many big cities. Was one of the big cities in the Chamdo Chamdo fifty thousand people.
Well, I mean, how do you know? Let’s just say I wouldn’t know. He might be right. Yeah. Okay.
We’ve got twenty third of January nineteen forty five. He arrives in Lhasa. Now Tibetan date for that. He probably knows the Tibetan date. I it I thought it said forty four.
Well, it would be in Tibetan year. That’s why I thought see I mean, forty four, whether it’s it’s forty four. No. It’s not. Because No.
I mean So this is the time I mean, they were fifth day for Tibetan month. Okay. But That’s forty four, isn’t it? Yeah. That’s it.
Just the three months different. I mean, you can’t have a leaving loss in forty four and arrive arriving at forty five, can you? Why not? It takes a few months to get there. Talking about my Tibetan.
We can’t even talk about mine. For a little over one month. To go from Jhanda to Lhasa by horse. He doesn’t remember very well, but some people would take longer because they would stay over in the a village for Some people could remember exactly what they what they did each day, where they were each day, but he can’t remember very well. No.
Wouldn’t either. My father wouldn’t remember every detail. Can Yeah. That’s fine. It’s not a problem.
I just got here in twenty fifth January. He arrives in Las like, twenty third. Can Twenty fourth. That’s when he got here. And then it says that two days later, which would be the twenty sixth day, he what is it?
And then it is the winter festival. What is what is the winter festival? Oh, I have got that. Twenty first, twenty second day of the twelfth of that month. It’s the eleventh or twelfth.
Yeah. Put a. It’s the twelfth of it. That’s fine. Yeah.
Then he go he goes first to. So this isn’t actually quite right because it has to be after that. Is it the twenty fourth day? Yeah. You should change it to twenty fourth?
Here. Yeah. And that one twenty third then. Think. Dorje.
Dorje. Yeah. I’ve got it somewhere else. I I just There’s there’s no there’s no chomp in his name? No Jampa.
No. I’ve changed it. I have got it written somewhere else, but I forgot it where. Is it is it? Is it?
What did he is his family name. Oh. Okay. Is his family name. Can you explain about family names?
Because I don’t understand them. What’s his family name? Where do family names come from? Because I thought everyone got a dharma name when they were born. So means wealthy.
Oh, that’s his nickname, isn’t it? The the the name. That So his father was Gopin. So that this is a nickname. Gopin song.
Because Gopin Galpenzong means an official, high official. His his family were high officials. Right. So it was more a title or a reference point. Not exactly a nickname, is it?
Sort of Let’s do more about Okay. Good. Alright. Well, that’s good. Actually, he didn’t become a monk.
This is he entered the monastery. Ah, good. This is good. He went to see the abbot and requested that he be allowed to enter the monastery, that he was going to become a monk. Then he went to the Nāgārjuna sūtra.
Went to see the Nāgārjuna sūtra. Nāgārjuna sūtra. Sūtra — went with his class. Fifteenth. From It’s only open on display, I think, once a year or something.
Can you just check on that? So in this interval he he there was the Monong Festival and he became a monk? In here. Oh, here it is. Becomes a.
Yeah. That’s something that you The festival. Here, we were What year? See, we’re only up to forty five here, and then we jumped to forty eight. He became a novice in nineteen forty five, in the same year that he he entered Sera Je Monastery.
Good. And and that was at Yeah. Yeah. We we talked a lot about that that first Yeah. Loser.
Yes. Yes. Yeah. I’m gonna go through that again. But, yes, I remember all that.
And I probably haven’t put the entry in. That’s Can they have they can’t target it? Oh, yeah. So that’s that one. I tell I still gotta go through that for a third time and yeah.
That’s the one. So there’s lot about that. So we’ll put when I go through that again, I’ll insert They So this he went this maybe he said this was two years after he became a monk he went to Nāgārjuna. It’s a forty seven is it? A forty seven.
Okay. Good. And also, forty eight. Oh, good. Oh, that makes it a bit more.
Forty eight. Mhmm. See, sometimes we’re dealing with Tibetan days and sometimes English. I suppose I should have both, really, shouldn’t I? Work out an equivalence.
I don’t know if the Tibetan days are important to Westerners. Nevertheless, Nevertheless, they are to Tibetans. They just keep just it enforces that they have a different calendar, and why not let Westerners know? This is not the only calendar in the world. Ours is not.
It sounds Also, when you know, the the incident with the clapping of the hands Yeah. Happened during that interval. That’s right. That was the first year, wasn’t it? Forty five?
When when would he could he put a rough date on that? Would that have been this forty five? It would have been, wouldn’t that? It was during the first year he was there. So yeah.
That was the first ceremony you went to. So it really comes down in here, doesn’t it? Not really after this one. Okay. Okay.
It might if you put a lot in, it might become confusing. Well, it it doesn’t have to. We won’t put too much in, but tell him it’s usually it takes about three or four pages on a printed pages. So you just pick all the main things. And any important events that happened outside too so we can sort of link up, like fifty nine, the uprising.
Yeah. So we’ve got a lot of events in fifty nine till Rinpoche because it’s his events and also all the Dalai Lama. Mhmm. But I abbreviate everything. I’ve I’ve all the details are put in the story, and just this is just a really abbreviated kind of outline.
Yeah. But but it just gives a good pick. You know, it gives an overview of when everything happens. It’s customary to do that with the Western. So One two three four five.
This is Friday, the twenty eighth of June. Twenty seventh? Write that note. Today is Friday, the twenty eighth of June. Friday, the twenty eighth of June.
A fairly reasonable idea of what year he was in, what class, because that just helps when people are referring to the story. I read it there. That’s fifty four, is it? Forty five? So forty five?
Forty five. Six. And Sorry. That was forty seven, was it, you want to tick them there or just fill it in for me? So, yeah, I’m just going by what you have here.
Yeah. Okay. Just tick it so I know that I’ve checked it because I’ve got I don’t remember otherwise. Yeah. Glasses here.
Tell me what. So the the small and the middling, the beginning and intermediate tutoring classes were were in one year in nineteen forty five. That’s what I wasn’t sure. That’s why yeah. Nineteen forty six was the was the great advanced.
So that’s class three basically, isn’t Yeah. Yeah. That’s good. Yeah. Ah, that’s good.
Yeah. One year, nineteen forty eight. So nineteen forty nine, it was Sukho Nimba — Fortune — was nineteen fifty and nineteen fifty one. Two years.
Yes. It’s. It’s classic. So nineteen. So and then fifty three was Uma Sarpa?
Sorry. I’ve missed out on — just Uma Nima. That was nineteen fifty two? Two. Whole year.
Yeah. Nineteen fifty four was fifty five fifty five Really? Rinpoche did say before that some of these Fifty fifty five is. Oh, we haven’t got them as and here, have we? No.
Could you call them something else? We’ve just got it as the one. Call them. What’s wrong? Can’t remember.
It doesn’t work out like he wants it to. Maybe two years for Pachen. So this is the way it should work out. I’ll just tell it to you, okay? Yes.
Nineteen forty five? Yeah. Chumwa? Yeah. Number one and number two?
Number three. Yes. Nineteen what did you say? Forty seven. Yeah.
Forty seven, Shunsarpa. Forty eight, Shingingpa. Forty nine, Sukhor. Sukhor Sappa. Sappa.
Sukhor Sappa. Sukhor Sukhor Ah. Was it true? Uh-huh. Yeah.
Nineteen fifty three, Uma Sarpa. Uma Sarpa. That’s getting better. Nineteen thirty four, Uma Ningpa. Nineteen fifty five, Hang on.
Fifty five. Fifty six is. Fifty seven. Okay. Fifty seven.
Yeah. Fifty eight. Okay. Fifty nine. Now why have I got?
It should be it’s not right, is it? Karam. Karam. Karam. So I’ve gotta change that.
Yeah. Yeah. You you have Karam here. You just included. Well, I’m there’s a confusion then for my terminology.
What’s this as Karam. That’s that’s the class they’re in until they’re waiting for their examination. They call it Karam. So I should really put that down here, shouldn’t I? That’s right.
Karam. Although Although Varam is in the young man. Varam. Varam He he didn’t get Varam? He didn’t until he got came to India.
He didn’t he was in India. Varam. Well, is could you just check with years, and then when finishing that, you go into Karam. Karam is the class you remain in until you actually take your examination. It’s just You stay in that a long time, do you?
Like, fourth So, is a continuation of the study of zu. But the better — those who are actually going to go on to sit the Lharampa Geshe examinations will then having finished will finish the Karam and go on to what they call the Lharampa class. And there they’ll they do a lot of examinations in preparation for their final Lharampa examination. Those who aren’t the better students will remain in the Karam class until they take their local Geshe examinations. So, this yeah.
Good. That’s great to clear that up because that’s all they said. Yeah. Yeah. That’s good.
Jada, That’s We’ll probably have to keep on checking dates because they’re not always going to make be the same. Like here, I’ve got down in nineteen forty nine when I was in Chum Nipa, received received Yamāntaka initiation. But now it seems like he wasn’t in Shumnipa then. He was it was forty eight. So it’s definitely in Shumnipa.
Was it the end of the Shumnipa? End of the year? Toward the end of the year. Seven thirty. Seven thirty at the month.
Was it forty eight or forty nine then? You just according to this, it’s forty eight. But according to this one, I had forty nine, so I just wanna cross one out. The the one, the Channadonna? Yeah.
That one’s right. Just go. Go. So I’ll change this one. Okay.
Got all those dates there. And so in nineteen fifty nine, he he was still in Karam? Or Oh, sorry. That dates here wrong. Yeah.
So he No. That’s alright. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Fifty nine. Other table. So is it yeah. And and then that would have been if he’d stayed till the end of ‘fifty nine, then that next year he would have started in the Laram class. Is that right?
Nineteen fifty nine. Oh. Later on in the year. So they didn’t didn’t always change classes at the end of the year? Was there any particular time that they would change a class?
Maybe around the ninth month of the Tibetan year, he would have gone into the class. Around the eleventh or twelfth month of this this November, December. Tibetan month? November, December of the Western. Oh.
November December. Oh, you’re translating to Western. Right. Yeah. Good.
Yeah. Okay. Just checking another date. I’ve got down here. It was in nineteen fifty two, the Lobstang Melon came from Calm, but that would be when Rinpoche was in Pachen class, would that be correct?
That the second year of the Poaching class? Yeah. Yeah. Is that correct? Oh, good.
Good. So that’s quite correct. So you can go according to this? Yes. But sometimes I have a year and sometimes I have a class, so I still might need to check.
Part two. Checking the date. I think maybe the details, not the date. On on the eighth day of the Tibetan fourth month to the fourth day of the sixth month fifty two, he would have also been in Pachen. Dagre Dorje — Chumwa gave Rinpoche the Sūtra teachings and commitment.
Could you just check if that’s correct? Dagre. What’s talk? Mhmm. T r a g.
T r mean, by this part, does it? By that. What days does it say there? Fifty two. Fifty two.
Well, it could be. I’ve got I’ve got. And what do have in nineteen ninety two? Well, it’s see, that’s Tibetan. Yeah.
This is Fifty two, actually, would be part end of March. Maybe the year of the the year beginning. Fifty three. Okay. Is that you?
Fifty three. Four months. Four months. You have two months. I will check.
Can you check? He began the fourth month. He began in the fourth month. So this is a hundred and eight. Great.
That’s better. They’re a hundred and eight. So it’s a hundred and eight. The same as the beads and the whole thing. So what what is being given is the transmission of the Is that the transmission?
Is that what’s Kangyur? The Kangyur. Kangyur. Yeah. The oral transmission of the translations of the Buddhist teachings.
Yeah. So can you write just Kangyur there? So that’s where he gets his title Kangyur Kangyurwa from, isn’t it? From receiving that and then being able to teach it? They they just give the oral transmission.
So having received this oral transmission, then he gave this again in Dharmasala. He attended this oral transmission, and then he gave the oral transmission. Yeah. And that’s how he became known as Kangyurwa. Great.
That’s what I was just asking. Kai is the He gave the transmission at the cathedral in Dharmasala? So this is So this was on the basis of this, that he did that because he’d received it at that time? Yeah. That’s right.
And were was it a transmission that’s not given very frequently? Because there’s not many Kangyurwa — Conqueror’s. The Conqueror’s Loom. Oh, Conqueror. Okay.
It’s very rare that it’s given. It’s very rare that there are people who give it and very few people listen to it. Really? It takes two months. There are a hundred and eight volumes.
So, it’s very rare. So, did Rinpoche’s whole class do it that time or just him? Many different there were Geshe’s. There were members of his class. There there were there were nuns.
There were lay people. There were. Oh. So it’s very big, very big group. Yes.
I think I think, yeah, you probably have this written somewhere. Do, but I so I can look it up. I know how it’s. Sorry about that. Jane.
Yeah. Sera Monastery. Sera Monastery. Sarah Konstan. So it would Then probably about four hundred people attend.
Four hundred. Right. What what I’m sorry to just keep harping. Is it was it his whole class attended as well as all the other people or just certain people who wanted to go? And that was was that was it or was it?
So the that’s what we’re making at fifty three on the basis that it was at class. Okay. And was that sponsored by this? It was in the month of The fourth month. Fourth month.
Is That’s very auspicious to do. Yeah. That’s right. What’s Duchen po? A great occasion.
A great time. Yeah. Yeah. And was it sponsored by this kamzan? The Jindak Sule.
It’s all — So the sponsor’s name was — I have Drepung and Gomang. This woman that came, Eishi, it was her uncle. Oh, it’s of the — Oh, it’s one of — cousin. Listen. Loseling and Gomang.
There’s two colleges, Loseling and Gomang. The College.