Audio recorded at Buddha House Adelaide. Transcript auto-generated and AI-corrected; may contain errors.
About this talk. When tigers roared near the caves where Khensur Rinpoche and a friend retreated to memorize texts during Sera’s debate break, both young monks were afraid — one of the liveliest moments in this 92-minute biographical interview. Rinpoche traces his years at Sera Monastery from early top-of-class results, through a divination by his root lama advising him not to return money to his uncle just before word arrived that both uncles had died in the same month, to five lean years of genuine poverty and hunger. Later episodes cover his family’s pack-animal trading business during the early Chinese occupation, a fervent prayer to Tārā during a desperate stretch without food, and his years teaching thirty monks through the night — rewarding those who memorized without a textbook with noodles.
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File: 14 RS 1988 01 01.mp3
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Teacher: Khensur Rinpoche
Collection: Rinpoche's Story (Khensur Rinpoche)
Date: 1988-01-01
Recorded at: Buddha House Adelaide
Duration: 92.0 minutes
Words: ~5,496
Debate and exams and everything. Mhmm. Mhmm. He class, they have there were sixty people, sixty students. Mhmm.
His past five. First five? Yeah, five and six. If he line, yeah, five and six. So he’d be in the first five or six in the morning.
Oh, good. Very good. Then he after he will which is teacher adverse Yeah. Then he he don’t go he he doesn’t go in come. Oh.
Then what he told that he have edify dossier, then other people. Five five dosa he keep. He keep only five dosa. Money? Mhmm.
And then money, yeah. Did you get lessons? Money. And then after his auntie auntie, they sent letter. You’re not if you’re not coming, you’re very bad.
Oh. And And he didn’t have any money? Mhmm. Then what the letter what they call, if you uh-huh. Not return my money, you’re not how to say it?
My relative. My family? If you if you come, you decide. If you’re not coming, you or reaching my money. Uh-huh.
Then What? Isn’t how do say? I need to do that. You wanna look it up? It’s a word one word or what?
They’re very they’d be very angry. Whatever it is. Pardon? They’d be angry? Yeah.
They’d very angry. Yeah. My my money sent back. It is not coming. Then Then he loaned other people.
Yeah. Then his auntie sent other people where his loan this loan. You sent my money. Oh. Then other people said, oh, I sent back.
Other people said, you you should send back. The people he loaned it to Yeah. Said he should send it back. Yeah. Uh-huh.
Then he’s doing you know mo? Mo? Yeah. Yeah. He’s when before his voice, his root lama Mhmm.
He he he want approach this lama. Please more what to do. It this man is send back, just give. Then they said, oh, you don’t send. Don’t send.
Yeah. Yeah. You keep. Yeah. This is Root Lama advice with the mo.
Yeah. He’s learned other people. He he he sent some back. He he bought something. He bought something, then he back, sent back.
A present? Yeah. No, no, his auntie. His back his auntie, Rinpoche’s auntie. He sent back Yeah.
Money Yeah. To his Rinpoche’s auntie. Yeah. Yeah. Then he’s he bought something, not money.
Mhmm. Something bought. Then he sent back his auntie, Rinpoche’s auntie. Then A gift. Yeah.
Yeah. Is it’s thing not arrive for calm then until it’s die. It’s but which root lama is more. It’s not benefit auntie. Oh.
So when Rinpoche’s root lama did the more Yeah. It said to send the money back will not benefit your auntie. Yeah. Then you keep. You keep it.
Yeah. And then he had word that she died. Yeah. Oh. Then other people, his loan, other people other people, they sent some board sent.
Money? Yeah. Not money. Gift. Something.
Anything. Like a present? Yeah. Yeah. They sent his auntie.
Then it it it is not arrive for calm, then auntie’s die. You understand? If it doesn’t get there. Yeah. If it comes back.
What? I don’t quite understand. The people sent sent gift to his auntie. No. No.
First, auntie, they sent two letter. Yeah. One for him. Mhmm. One his lawyer and other people.
Yeah. Then other people said, you is you you send back You should send Yeah. Then said, how do do? I don’t know. Yeah.
Then he’s more. Yeah. Then the more cold you keep, you don’t send Yeah. Until. Yeah.
Then other people just don’t ask some boat Yeah. And send his auntie. Uh-huh. Yes. Then what what he bought?
I don’t know. He’s bought he bought some clothes. Mhmm. Then he sent back and come. Mhmm.
Then this cloth is not arrived. Not arrived. Didn’t arrive. It didn’t arrive come Yeah. Then auntie died.
Oh. Is that the time the Rinpoche went to Ganden on pilgrimage? It’s only six, seven days only Ganden pilgrimage, this year. That was different time. It wasn’t at the time the three years was finished.
Yeah. While he’s on pilgrimage, he want go Kham he he come back. He go back and Kham. Then he go and pilgrimage. After he go back.
Oh. He went back to Kham. Another time he went back to Kham. Because he couldn’t go back to Kham. He went pilgrimage instead.
No. Three years, he stay in Sera. Mhmm. After next year Mhmm. He finished.
What he do? That yes. Then then he want go come. Yeah. Teacher.
Yeah. Then he go first pilgrimage. Then after go back, Kham. Then between he first go pilgrimage after come back, Sera, then they ask for his teacher. Then he stay.
I see. See. So he went on the pilgrimage. Yeah. Then his teacher said, You stay.
So he didn’t go to come. Yeah. Good. It is now monday the second of January nineteen eighty nine and I’m going down to Buddha House to have another interview with Khensur Rinpoche with Tenzin Translating. You ask Rinpoche if he wants to tell more about those days in Sera Monastery, you know, after the first three years and then he was going to go to Kham and he couldn’t.
He just did the pilgrimage to Ganden. Does he want to say more about what happened after those three years and what he did in Sera after? Yeah. His his auntie. He have two auntie.
Then one month, they one month they die, two auntie. Oh, really? Yeah. They there You know his auntie name? I just want to look at her.
Just a minute. Just let me look. So this is Rinpoche here. This is Rinpoche’s father, Sewangatso and his mother, Dendrob Droma and this is Serindromo Serindromo Serindromo. Is that the one?
No. No. Serindromo. His auntie. Auntie or uncle?
Uncle. Two uncle. Two uncle? Yeah. Two uncle or two aunties died?
Auntie. One auntie, one uncle? No. No. Two auntie.
Two auntie. Yeah. So Yeah. Is a woman? Is a woman?
No. Not not a woman. Auntie nurse. Auntie is woman. Auntie is woman?
Yeah. So anger. Yeah. You tell you tell Rinpoche what we’re We said I shall. Anyway, did did he two aunties or two uncles?
Uncle. Two men. Yeah. Two men. Yeah.
So yesterday, you’d said that he Rinpoche’s auntie sent the money. You meant his uncle? Yeah. Uncle. So that wasn’t auntie.
It was uncle. Yeah. It was uncle. And can you ask Rinpoche, that his mother’s brother’s, these two, or which uncle would have sent the money? Explain.
See, that’s Rinpoche’s mother’s side. And that’s his father’s side. Yeah. He sent money. Tsang Mukhala.
Oh, right. He’s uncle. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Mother’s brother.
Yeah. Is he he was the monk? He was also a monk? Or he Of course. Tsang Mukhala is.
Yeah. He was monk. Yeah. Yeah. He was the one at Dargye.
Yeah. Dargye. Dargye? Yeah. Other one, Jampa.
Jampa Jampa. It must be that one. This what we kept trouble spelling. Champa and I had trouble to spell this. Yeah.
So that’s probably spelled wrongly. You could spell it. Yeah. What is it? Sorry?
Jampa Champa. Jampa Jampa Champa. How would you spell Chunze? Chunze, you know, now Yeah. Jampa.
Jampa. I don’t know if we’ve got it out then. Yeah. I don’t know. I just have to I’ll just put the baby socks.
Yeah. And so I’ll check. Yeah. Yeah. Leave it on because I both of those uncles passed away?
In one month. These two brothers? Yeah. One month there are two two uncle. They one month died.
Oh, no. One month one month include? Both. They both They both died in one month. They both died in one month.
Rinpoche says you come who said you come in Kham? They called, they urged you come back. They’re both of them. Yeah. They both sent the money.
No. No. This one? Yeah. They sent money.
He sent Yeah. To come back to come. That’d be nineteen forty eight must be. Yeah. Roughly.
Be round about then. That’s alright. Ninety or forty nine. Forty nine. Yeah.
Just just just roughly to get the year. It doesn’t Yeah. So After his family, they sent letter. He got one letter. They included your uncle to both?
Both your uncles. Both your uncle died in one month. Was was it some disease? Was there illness going around? Some sickness?
Yeah. Some what do you call it? Like some epidemics? Everybody gets sick? He’s old man.
They’re both old. They’re both old. So the Moe was right? Moe is right. Yeah.
Yeah. Then he has some money, uncle money. Rombucha has. Oh, uncle left him some money. Yeah.
Before he sent money. He sent. Yeah. Then he He still had money. He still had the money.
He give the money, uncle money. And after the You’re talking about the eighty five dosa. Eighty five dosa. That’s the same or the eighty five dosa. Every Rinpoche they give all monks.
Oh, so they all the money from those? Yeah. Rinpoche is the uncle money. Give them money. Monk.
Oh, from Dargye? All the Dargye monks? Dargye Gompa monks? No, no, no. Or Sera monks.
Oh, everywhere. Hazalde. Did Rinpoche give that money? Yeah. They send eighty five dosa Yeah.
Before he sent eighty five dosa Yeah. But he loaned other people’s. Yeah. But other people did some some bought anything. Some bought clothes.
Yeah. They sent back to Kham income. Then now he have some money. From the uncles? Yeah.
Uncles. Eighty five. Thirty five dosa he has. Then after he give the monk. During Monlam?
Yeah. In Monlam. Yeah. Yeah. And and so they’ll say prayers for the uncles?
Yeah. Prayers to uncle. Yeah. God. One monks, one thangka.
One? One monks, they give one thangka. Oh. Who gave the thangka? Rinpoche.
Rinpoche gave the thangka? Yeah. For in for the uncles, for prayers. For prayers. Yeah.
All monks in Lhasa. How how much they cost? Twenty seven dosa. A thangka? Yeah.
Twenty seven dosa. Oh, very much. You understand? Twenty seven dosa for one thangka? No.
No. No. Oh. In he give money in monk. Yeah.
They all total twenty seven dosa. Not much. Then he hasn’t money. Only Yes. Only three das.
Then, you know, Pashawa? Now Now that time, Shum Saba, time, his died uncle and In the and oh, yes. I see. So when he was in that that fourth, that Shum Saba Yeah. Group Yeah.
Year class. When he was? Yeah. When he was? When he was.
Yeah. When he was Yes. In that Shum Zappa In the Shum Zappa class. Class. What do they study in that class?
Do you remember? Yeah. What what text would they study in that? So this is when Rinpoche was in the Sarvajnana, s a r v a j n a n a, the omniscient mind. Yeah.
Sarvajnana. Oh, good. Time. Oh, yeah. Okay.
Then after it is paramita. It’s After. That is part of That’s part Paramita including many subjects. Yes. Yes.
This Prajñāpāramitā. This one? Yeah. One. Yeah.
Omniscient. Omniscient mind is first subject. Ah, so just gone into that? Yeah. Paramita, first subject.
So that’ll be after he’s been to Ganden. Yeah. And he’s starting that fourth year Yeah. Where all the other monks have gone back to come. Yeah.
But he’s studied. So this is advanced. Yeah. Then Paramita included many subjects. So the other other monks from Kham that came with Rinpoche, they wouldn’t have studied this because they would have gone back after three years?
Yeah. Other other ones only studied this one. They did? Yeah. They did start.
But they didn’t study in other subject. More advanced? More advanced. Was Rinpoche the only one who studied all the subjects in that class? On.
We’ve got that. Is we study five years. Right. That’s all I needed to know. Five years.
Just parameter. Yeah. Many subject. Oh. It’s Ser Jey.
Yeah. The normal monk would only be there for three years. So is that what they said? Well, I know that from before. Oh, yeah.
So he’d be going on with the Paramita like more more of the same. More of the same. Is that the is that the Heart Sūtra? Oh, it’s a lot more beside that. That’s masses and masses.
Yes. After five years, we many problem, problem, but he hasn’t money. Then they didn’t send money in family. So the family that was left income didn’t send any? Yeah.
So this is the time when he got really hungry and couldn’t didn’t have food. The firehouse is very important. He’s So he was alright for that first year after his uncle died, was he? Pardon? She said five five years, he didn’t have money Yeah.
For five years. Five Five years. Yeah. Just problem in food. I bought food.
So how did he get food at all then? Sometimes he brought other people. Example. His friend, some he me some. He has he doesn’t have tea, Maggie.
Didn’t have tea to make or anything? Yeah. He didn’t. And clothes. Not good clothes.
Very warm. Yeah. Yeah. So how he must have did he get sick? K.
Studied He studied well? Yeah. If they they don’t they’re not much. Food? Yeah.
Then not much food, then study well. Yeah. After five years after, he middle middle way. Middle way? Yeah.
Madhyamaka. Madhyamaka? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah?
Then they That’s his nephew. Rinpoche’s nephew. Yeah. Yeah. He’s come after five years after he come in Sera.
To Sera? To be a monk? Oh. Yeah. This is Rinpoche’s eldest sister’s eldest son.
That’s nice. Did did he bring money? Did he bring money? After the December, and and money. Yeah.
He has one horse. Oh. He brought a horse with him? From Kham? Yeah.
He How is it say? A horse Yeah. From Kham? Yeah. The way from Kham?
Yeah. For Rinpoche? No. No. No.
He For himself? Yeah. Himself. Did he ride? Yeah.
He ride from from Kham in horse. Ah. You’ll ask how long it took. How long? How long would it take?
During divorce. To come from? One year’s two two months. Did he sell that horse when he got to Lhasa? Well, Lhasa, Yeah.
He come then quickly he said Yeah. Horse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mhmm. Now horse is released. Yeah. Yeah. After after five five years, he came in Sera.
Lobsang Melo. Lobsang Melo. Then he bring some money and tsampa. Then he live in Sera three years. He’s just happy.
Very happy. Did they live together? Did Lobsang? So they shared their rooms? They cook together and everything. Colors and the.
Mhmm. Together. It’s in come. It’s one family. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Then after three years, he won’t go Kham. Lobsang Melo? Lobsang Melo.
He he finished. Yes. Yeah. He finished. Yes.
And then they send many money and That time, Chinese come in Lhasa. Oh, forty nine. When Lobsang Melo went back about that time? Back. Yeah.
That time. Chinese come in Invade? Invade in Lhasa. Armies? Yeah.
Armies in Lhasa. Mao Zedong’s armies. Mao Zedong. Yeah. I think Yeah.
Lobsang Melo. Lobsang Melo. He won’t go and Kham Yeah. His finish study. Yeah.
Then what what the hearer, nineteen forty. Forty nineteen fifty one. Fifty one, probably. Then Chinese come in Lhasa, but how do say? No problem.
No. China they haven’t in Tibet, they haven’t road. Oh, yes. Yes. No roads.
In the motor Yeah. Or any Yeah. No no roads. Yeah. No roads.
No roads for cars. Yeah. Then Chinese, they they want they send to Builders. They send any things. Yeah.
They send in Lhasa. Yeah. But they haven’t road. Yeah. Then Rinpoche’s uncle His his father.
Rinchen Rinchen Dondrup. Rinchen Dondrup. Yeah. His father. Yeah.
Rinchen Dondrup. Dondrup. Rinchen Then he’s he just business. Yeah. Trading.
Yeah. He he he bought some, you know, zo. Zo? Yeah. Yeah.
He bought and. Yeah. Then From Kham? No. He he bought from Kham.
He bought. Then To Lhasa? No. Sorry. He sent Lhasa, those dzo.
You sent them to Lhasa? Lhasa. Yeah. Then Chinese team put the dzo. They brought Chinese brought them?
Yes. Chinese. Okay. His thing is Chinese, but the dzo is Rinpoche’s family Yeah. Yeah.
They carry them. They carry For a cost. They pay money. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So they use the Chinese as carriers? Yeah. Taxi carriers.
Yeah. Transport. Yeah. Transport. Yeah.
Then they cost. The Chinese used them. No. The Rinpoche’s family paid the Chinese Yeah. To transport them.
Yeah. Didn’t have cars, though. Yeah. What? In Chinese.
The Chinese? Yeah. They have Trucks. Trucks, but they haven’t road. Road.
Right. Then they transport. Yeah. Do they pay him? In Chinese pay him.
Yeah. The Chinese paid the family to use the for transport because they couldn’t use the trucks. Two yak. Twenty four. Mhmm.
They carry Chinese thing. Is that a cross between a yak and a cow? Yeah. It’s very good work Then they twenty four dzo, one dzo for Rinpoche. Ah.
Ah. They want tea box. Yeah. Great big box of Chinese tea. Yeah.
Then they have. What’s that? Money. Money. One box.
Tea. For Rinpoche? For Rinpoche. Oh. Yang kopche.
Wealthy. Yeah. Plenty. Understand what you said. Bend.
Can’t understand. You’re going to exercise in the pool. Is the slowest. Then after they arrive Lhasa, the twenty four door is cell. Yeah.
Then one door is Rombucha. Uh-huh. He’s not cell. He’s one’s always tether. Tether means Tether.
Don’t kill. Oh, right. Yes. What’s it called? Again?
Tether. Tether. Yeah. You say free release it. Let it go.
When you do that, what is it? Dether. Zether. Does does the zo have a mark on it? So does zo have a mark?
Or how do people know that it’s zether, the zo? Tenderment. Yeah. Tenderment’s How he sell, then they’re killed. Yeah.
Then he’s he’s they sell the meat. Yeah. I understand. Yeah. Do they put a do they paint the dzo so everybody knows, not kill?
The center mountain. Oh, right. So it goes free on the mountain. Yeah. So Rinpoche had all the tea and the money.
Did he sell the tea? He would have Yeah. To keep it. He used the tea. Must be taking two or three years to drink it or not.
Then other voice all said. Yeah. Then he and Lobsang Melo, he bought kit money. He’s twenty four years old. Oh, Rinpoche and Lobsang Melo?
Yeah. Oh, so at this time, Lobsang Melo still in In Sera. Yeah. Lobsang Melo still Yeah. In Sera.
Before he went back. Yeah. That makes more sense because, yeah, that’s about nineteen fifty, fifty one. Mhmm. Yeah.
I understand. Then after he want go and come. Mhmm. The room which is all ready. One one by horse.
Mhmm. Which is one by horse and one by D. D. Yeah. D.
Dri. Yeah. Dri. Yeah. Female yak.
One ta, one dri. One horse, one dri. Rinpoche bought for Lobsang Melo. Yeah. I bought Lobsang Melo.
Won’t go or come. Yeah. Yeah. Then yeah. Some.
Mhmm. He just bought cloth and cloth and Nambu? Yeah. What’s Nambu? Nambu means cloth name.
I don’t know. Oh, it’s just yeah. In Tibet. Cotton. Not cotton.
Oh, felt like a woolen. It’s sort of thick. It’s lovely thick woolen cloth. Mhmm. Yeah.
Yeah. And And he buy two blocks. Mhmm. Then he put in Yeah. Then.
Where did the cloth come from? India? It’s from India. From India. Yeah.
Yeah. It’s from India. What’s it made from the clock? That one’s woolen. I think it has cotton as well.
Old. Yeah. Yeah. And he have many money. He has many money.
First, nothing? A lot money. He has a lot of money. God. He has a lot of money.
A lot. A lot. He has a lot of money. A lot of money. Good.
He is. And he’s how do say? Cut off. In many a foot. I’m a go to the military.
Then he give his student. His students? And his students. So he has has students now. When did he start when Rinpoche get his first student?
Middle Madhyamaka class, then he get the student. That’s right. Yeah. Yeah. He started to teach.
He start teaching student. It’s about, what, six years? After six years, I’d say. After five year, he’s studying Prajñāpāramitā. After five years, then he get middle way.
New middle way. Yeah. Uma Sarba. Then he he teach. He’s teach start Started teaching.
He started teaching. How many? In in evening, they comes. Thirteen. Thirteen?
Thirty. Thirty? Yeah. Three zero. Thirty.
Big mob. And idea. Those student, they’re memorizing one subject, then he give Momo. Listen. Was it only monks or monks and nuns?
No. Monks. Just monks. Then one night full study Yeah. Then he give thukpa noodle.
Oh. Noodle? Yeah. If if a monk stayed up all night learning. Yeah.
All all night. Yeah. Memorizing. Yeah. Not look we Yeah.
Don’t look the textbook. Just Oh. Then give noodle. A little bit of a what do you call it? Positive say Then he’s eat, then he’s offering, you know, what do you say that?
Kangsol. In the center, the one this is the one we looked. This one. This one. The top one?
Yeah. No, no. This one, this one. He’s offering for this teacher. Was the teacher in Sera?
Yeah. So Rinpoche had various teachers. The first one we looked at. He’s gone. His other is best what?
Yesterday we called. Yeah. That in the black one. Black and white. Yeah.
Yeah. His that time, he he’s left in Kham. Oh, he’s got returned to Kham? He’s returned to Kham. Oh.
Geshe again said he was just in Melbourne, and he’s the emanation of Yamāntaka. Really? What’s his name again? Geshe Geshe Ugyen said that. Spell it.
U y g The The mechanism. U y g t s e t n t c t u D s e d e n. It’s okay. Yeah. Khensur Rinpoche.
This is the same one? No, no. The first one? Gyume means Tantra. Tantra College.
Is that is that the one in the black and white we looked at yesterday? Yeah. Gyume? No. It’s not.
Other one. Gyume is the name of Tantric College. That’s where they do that. Gyume. M e.
Gyume. So that means he comes from there. I don’t know if that means that. You’ve been asking. Okay.
Sure means he’s been an abbot. He’s abbot before Tantra Yeah. College. Right. Right.
Is that his full title? Yeah. Is that one person? One person. That’s his full title.
Thank you. Titles, and this is his name. Great. Okay. Not gushy here.
Yeah. It’s gushy, but Yeah. But it yes. It’s yes. I understand.
Yeah. Uh-huh. Good. Then That’s the one who gave you the Yamāntaka initiation Where? In Melbourne.
Yeah. Gave you? No. He gave Sydney. He was in Sydney.
When you went, you went to Sydney. You met this. Yeah. We met at Chenrezig. So he must be a fairly old man now.
Must be old. Not so old. He’s old, but he’s good healed. Good? But he must live in Switzerland.
Oh, Switzerland. Yeah. Yeah. Good climate. Lot to be.
Yeah. Climate and and food, and everything’s good. That’s good. But So momos and noodles? Yeah.
He give his to everyone. Then two years finish. He must have had very good students for two years. Yeah. And then?
I mean, how kind of cow is she? Then three three years after, yeah, it’s pop. First poor, then rich. First rich, then poor. Yeah.
impermanence again. What’s that word? Was. How do say it? How do you say it?
In Poland. Yeah. But what in Tibetan? Mitapa. Mitapa.
Mitakpa. Mitakpa. Had the money. Oh my god. He’s so superior.
She was saying he’s very popular that year. He had all the money. No. I think he said he had a problem for a year. What?
A problem. I got wrong with that one. I’m not sure. Pardon? What did Rinpoche say then?
Then he has money. Yeah. Yeah. Then and food. Yeah.
Problem. Problem. Mhmm. Same? Problem for one year.
Yeah. Problem One year. Yeah. If he has money that time, not much study, then many people coming and many talking, talking. Yes.
Then, encouraging also. Okay. Much study. Yes. For those two years.
And many talking. Yeah. Then he has money, then not people coming, then not much talking, then studying well. That’s life. Sorry?
That’s life. One day she’s suffering and problem. I don’t know. And very angry. hungry?
hungry. hungry. Very hungry then what to do. It’s many tall. Then his afternoon day the bed.
Then his prayer to Tārā. It’s very good. It’s very good prayer to Tārā. Then yes. Strong prayer.
Yeah. Strong prayer. Then tomorrow, they want message. Yeah. They have one message.
Yeah. Then he’s It’s not not same family. Other one, he’s just brother. Mhmm. They come in Lhasa.
Then one message for Rinpoche, you come for Lhasa. Uh-huh. You come Lhasa. Come into town. Come into town.
Yeah. We met. Oh. One message. He He’s had a big feet.
Yeah. He He got a big feed. It’s not fun. No. I’ve got.
No. Shouldn’t have dropped in. What feed? No. Don’t worry.
Just so yeah. So when just forget. So he went into Lhasa, to his his family. Other one family. His father, his father’s not here.
His father’s here? Yeah. No. His father’s brother? Mother’s family.
Grandmother. Grandmother. Mother and now in hazard day one. Sister, Yama. No.
Where Rinpoche’s? Rinpoche’s here. Rinpoche’s mother. This one? Yeah.
Brother wants god is loud. They in hazard, they come two child. Two child. Two children? Two children.
Yeah. Then two children’s mother. And which is mother and k. Mother. Brother.
Rinpoche’s brother mother’s brother. Mhmm. This is Rinpoche’s mother. Yeah. This two child.
Yeah. His mother. Can’t just laugh. Same. Brother.
Yeah. Yeah. Brother. This two brother. Brother and sister.
Remember Chase. Sister. No. Don’t don’t worry too much. We’ll get it sorted out with Nawang.
So just go on. We’ll check with Nawang later. So he’s there, this uncle to Rinpoche. And this two child two children. And two children’s mother is Right.
Okay. His cousins. Yeah. That was cousins. Yeah.
Yeah. We’re called cousins. I call them brothers. Yeah. Okay.
They won’t make monk. Two children. They both become Yeah. Yeah. They both monks.
They becomes monk. Yeah. Then you give. Look up to them. Those children’s father, he said, you keep my children.
Yeah. In Sarah. In Sarah. They go to Sarah. And his mom they get monk.
Become monk. They become monk? Yeah. Become monks. Become monks.
That’s Sarah. Yeah. And Sarah. And so Rinpoche Rinpoche’s look. Look after them.
Yeah. And he has the money for them. Yeah. Yeah. Then he keep his room.
They stay in his room? They stay in his room. Uh-huh. He’s a rich family. Kara was looking after Impiccie.
Honey? They bring butter, tsampa, meat, many. Bring. This children’s family. So those two boys would stay with Rinpoche for three years?
They were from Lhasa, not from Kham. They were from Kham. They were from Kham. From come. Come.
From were from come. Yeah. They’ve been at Dajigompa too also. Yeah. That’s not oh, no.
No. No. No. It’s your sister’s children. It’s alright.
Okay. Good. Sorry. Those two children now stay in India. Oh.
One stay in Nepal. Yeah. One stay in Dharmasala. Oh. In Kopan in Nepal?
No. Before One children is before he gone India. Nineteen. Ninety. One children is nineteen eighty four.
Nineteen fifty four, he’s gone in in he’s left in India. Nineteen fifty four? Yeah. Oh, early. His brother his father with Went with his father?
Yeah. Oh, his father’s a trader. One one one student one children with Rinpoche. One day old. One child with old.
One child is day Yeah. With Rinpoche, and he come with Rinpoche. Mhmm. He’s not. He came ah.
He was the one that came to India with Rinpoche when Rinpoche lived. Was he? Did he travel with Rinpoche? Yeah. He traveled with Rinpoche once in.
When he crossed the mountains? Yeah. With that mule and the donkey he in fifty nine nineteen fifty four. Yeah. One child We did he?
He left in nineteen fifty four. Yes. Yes. Travel with father. Yeah.
The other Then stay. Yeah. He still stay. Stayed. Didn’t come back.
Yeah. Didn’t he didn’t come back in Tibet. And one child The other child. The other child, He traveled with Rinpoche. In nineteen fifty nine?
Nineteen fifty nine. Yeah. Ah. In the party of thirteen. Yeah.
Yeah. Including. And is that the one that’s in Dharmasala now? Yeah. That went with Rinpoche?
He stayed a monk. Not monk. Not monk. Yeah. No.
How old is he now? How old is he now? I don’t know. He was then, what, about nineteen twenty when he came to Rinpoche? Nineteen twenty?
No. How old were these two when they came to Rinpoche at Sera? Oh, is one child he’s with father. He’s fifty fifty Fifteen. Fifty eight.
He’s left table with father. Yeah. Fifty eight. Eight. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Just before. Yes. Just they could see the trouble probably coming.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why. Yeah.
Uh-huh. Break time. Break time. Yeah. Oh, here.
Here. Sorry. It’s here. This one. Yeah.
Sorry. Here’s here’s Jorcho. Yeah. Yeah. Decor Khamtsen.
Yeah. Jorcho Decor Khamtsen. Daily routine. Yeah. That one?
Yeah. Okay. Is that what we’re looking for? Yeah. So in that time, then break time.
Yeah. It’s break Yeah. From debating. From debating. Yeah.
Pashawa, you know Pashawa? After Paramita class offer. Then they want go break time memorizing. Yeah. And they want go outside.
Outside Sarah? Yeah. Outside Sarah. Oh. Yeah.
Where did they go? Cursing the doors. Play anywhere. It’s memorizing. Memorizing.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they could go outside the monastery? Yeah.
For what? Stay overnight? Yes. Stay overnight. Fifteen nights?
Yeah. Yeah. Fifteen nights. So where did Rinpoche go? Is friend with The friend with the key?
Not that friend. He’s gone. He’s gone in the camp. Yeah. Another friend with.
You know? Means How to say? I don’t know. It is. Yeah.
Here. Cave in rock in mountain. K. This one. This one.
He that one. He said Chauku. Chauku? So that so did Rinpoche and his friend go and meditate in a cave? No.
He memorizing. Oh, that’s what he’s memorizing about Millaripa? Yeah. Oh. No.
No. Near, monastery there. Near Sarah? Near Sarah. Oh, or the rock?
Yeah. Or the I know. Yeah. Oh, that’s where they went on their fifteen days. Is is that is that what you’re saying?
Yeah. They Rinpoche and his friend went to those rocks, those caves. Oh, yeah. Rock cave. He studied memorizing.
Tell Rinpoche I can remember those rocks. You can probably remember them at Sarah. We can remember those rocks, and they’ve got many mantras? He he remember now. Yeah.
What? He remember this cave now. He remembers. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. No. I’ve seen it’s oh, dear. No. I’ve just I’ve I’ve seen those rock many rocks Doh Mangpo.
Yeah. Behind the monastery Yeah. In Sera, and there’s many mantras written on the rocks. Sera. Know?
I know that one. Yeah. I went on a horse for that. Where is it? Oh, that’s behind Sarah.
Yeah. I’m going to Sera and Pabongka. Pabongka. Pabongka. Oh, it’s great.
It’s built like a ship. Oh, is it part of the monastery? Or It’s a it’s a whole new monastery. It’s another monastery in the valley behind Sarah. Uh-huh.
Oh, so Rinpoche went there, did he? It’s the fifteen days. In town, In evening, they sang tiger. Oh. It’s very frightening.
Afraid. Afraid. Yeah. He’s he’s his friend. They’re afraid.
So there were tigers around you? Yeah. Tiger’s song song. Roar. Roar.
Roar. Hey. Tell tell Rinpoche Yeah. I ride a horse Yeah. To Pabongka.
Yeah. More Pabongka. Oh, yeah. You ride horse? Yeah.
To Pabongka. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Until Takuyanes. Have Cave in Rock Hill Mountain.
Good. Yeah. Yeah. So the two monks stayed there, just like Milarepa in the cave. Yes.
But his friend was scared. Scared. Afraid. Fair. Fear.
Fear. Afraid. Afraid. Afraid. To have fear.
Yeah. You’re afraid. Afraid. And the yeah. He had afraid.
His friend was afraid. I think he said his friend was afraid. Sounds like he wasn’t afraid. They were both afraid. Yeah.
They were both afraid. Then after fifteen days.