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About this talk. In this 212-minute session from a Mahāmudrā retreat, Lama Zopa Rinpoche analyzes the self using concrete examples—tables, tea, shadows, dreams, light—to show how the “I” exists only as a label on the aggregates yet appears as inherently existent. Through dialogue with students, he guides them to identify the precise object of ignorance: not the merely-labeled self but its false appearance as independent and truly existent. Rinpoche emphasizes that this correct identification is essential; without it, analysis misses the target entirely. He explores dependent arising as the king of reasoning, the relationship between valid base and label, how phenomena exist but cannot be found on analysis, and the danger of mistaking mere non-finding for genuine emptiness realization. For practitioners already familiar with Buddhist philosophy.
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Teacher: Lama Zopa Rinpoche 1
Collection: y Mahāmudrā International Retreat (Lama Zopa Rinpoche 1)
Date: 2004-04-29
Recorded at: Buddha House Adelaide
Duration: 212.6 minutes
Words: ~14,132
No one. No one. O holy and venerable lama, in the clouds of compassion that form in the skies of your dharmakaya wisdom, Please release the rain of vast and profound dharma precisely in accordance with the needs of those betrayed. The world, the guide of human beings, to you, completely and fully awakened one. Endowed and send and destroy the glorious conquerors, the duet, and the Shaky clan.
I prostrate my conference and go for refuge to the found of the endowed and send and destroy the one who gone beyond, further destroyed. Be the perfected, fully awakened being, perfect in knowledge and good conduct. So guard and know the world’s dream guide of human beings, be tamed to teach of gods and human beings. To you, and fully awaken one, the endowed and sent and destroyed, glorious conquerors, the duet from the Shaky clan, have prostrate my confidence and go for refuge. To the founder, the endowed and sun destroyer, the Mongol beyond, foe destroyer, completely preferred to fully awaken being.
Poverty knowledge, lingo converse, to guard and know the world, stream guide of human beings, tame. Teacher of gods and human beings, you, completely and fully awaken one. Endowed and sent and destroyed, glorious conquerors, endure from the shattered land, prostrate, make offerings, and go for efforts. Bueno supreme amongst humans, you are born on this earth, you placed our sudden strides and said, I’m supreme in this world. To you who are wise then, I prostrate With pure bodies formed, supreme and pure, with emotion like a golden mountain.
Fain the blaze in the three worlds when they’re best. Lord, to you, I prostrate. The supreme signs face like spotless moon, color like gold, to you, I prostrate. Thus free, like you, the three worlds are not incomparably wise one, to you I prostrate. The savior having great compassion, the found having all understanding, filled and rare with qualities like a vast ocean to you, the long gone to dustless, I prostrate.
The purity that frees one from attachment, the virtue that frees one from the lower realms. The one path is a blind pure reality to down the pacifiers, I prostrate. Those who are liberated and also show the path to liberation, the holy field qualify with realizations, They’re devoted to moral precepts to use the divine community intending virtue, I prostrate. Homage to supreme Buddha. Homage to Dharma refuge.
Homage to the great Sangha. To all three ever devout homage. To all worthy of respect, bound with bodies as many as all realms, atoms in all aspects. With supreme faith, I pay homage. Do not commit any non virtuous actions.
Perform any perfect virtuous actions. Subdue your mind thoroughly. This is the teaching of the Buddha. A star, a visual aberration, a flame of a lamp, an illusion, a drop of dew or a bubble, a dream, a flash of lightning, cloud, sea condition things like that. Through these, sentient beings attain the rank of all scenes, adjure the photo forts, and be delivered from Samsāra’s ocean perturbed by the ways of aging, sickness, and death.
We do the implementation there. This is stanza. So go back to page seven. The starfish vibration. That stanza.
The tongue story and then things the causative phenomenas do not exist as appears to oneself, to oneself, others in mind. To go to to go over the verse, go over the the which which was just a minute. Just for short time because. Caused the phenomena including one’s own life. All the causative phenomena Drums are alive.
But I, awesome body, surround people, family members, possessions. The first verse. What is the first verse there? A star. A visual visual aberration, a flame of a lamp.
Stop. Not all that is changing in each even second by second, and everything second, The king, changing, the king, it didn’t last. It starts in the second. What exists in the first second, just in the next second? What’s your life?
All this? Possession? Family members, surrounding people. Not all that, I can stop anytime. Therefore, they’re going to cling, not going to get angry, jealous mind, so forth.
No time. No time through that. No time to rise emotional thoughts. No emotion. No reason.
No time. This way. I achieve liberation. That is an example. No?
Yeah. The pandamas do not exist. It’s that. Let me use that example. But think this issue should in the heart should come understanding of this entity.
All this causative phenomena. I the all these character phenomena, from the sound of objects, this, possession, family members, all the after attachment, anger, all these people. Yeah. And the one’s also empty. That’s empty.
There’s nothing slightest of atom exist. All this exist from some side. There is no even slightest of atom. This phenomena exist from its own sight. So far, the way things the the way the things appeared and believed by one’s hope by one’s mind, by ignorance.
Not there. Doesn’t exist. Do not exist. From the beginning, is a report, the ratings appeared and improved balance of balance of mind by ignorance. Do not exist.
They’re not not there. They’re not there. Totally empty. None none of it in reality. Holding on the previous previous one.
Including eye, external object, all these phenomena that is appeared real one, in a sense, independent, resistant from one side. There’s some existence from the society. Holding on that. Holding on that appearance, that I hallucinate the appearance. Only Samsāra.
Result only Samsāra. Only suffering and endless suffering. Beginning beginningless suffering as well as endless suffering. But not holding on that. Letting go that.
I’m not holding on that. Looking at very natural. Looking at very natural. The phenomena, those phenomena, that’s emptiness. Looking at the empty as they’re empty.
Do not create cause of saṃsāra. It cuts it cuts the cause of saṃsāra. This way, it cuts it cuts the root of saṃsāra, root of all the sufferings. That one do not like. From this pen.
Mhmm. From this, one can one become liberated from all the sufferings. One can abandon all the sufferings as well as the cause. Not only achieving liberation. By developing this wisdom, seeing like this, can achieve great liberation, state of omniscient mind, feel its happiness.
Then I read next verse. An illusion, a drop of dew, or a bubble. The butter lamb. Butter. Is lamb.
Butter lamb. That’s one’s illusion. Or candle lamp candle. The word practice of in the midst of in the midst of wind. In the midst of that was in the midst of wind or flick or flickering or I can say flickering or buckling.
That can be stopped anytime. So they all caused the phenomena. Including I, the body, possession, family members. What is object of anger attachment to all this? Not that.
Rolling changing. It became do not last. Even second by second, even with a second. Now that can be they can stop in the time. So conclusion, there’s no reason to no reason, no time to rise negative emotion thoughts.
Grasping attachment, grasping, grasping anger to harm, thought harming. All these negative negative emotions. It it is only causing suffering. Experience suffering of particular organs. And there’s a deluding also.
It is deluding also mind. Diluting oneself. Obscure also mind. Like poisoning of the mind, of the mental continuum, poisoning. Phenomenons do not exist.
Is that better? Like illusion. First thing of the example. Then what it means? What means illusion?
Think that. Then put that put the illusion put the illusion. I like I didn’t find the passport. You know? I didn’t find the portal and the person.
For here, illusion, they I didn’t find this. All this phenomena, the way it appears to you. That that that are believed by you, by oneself, by your by oneself influence. While they do not exist, believe that that that that they exist. While they are false, believe they’re true.
While they’re empty of existing from their own side, believe that exists from their own side. So put the illusion on all this false view, our eye, all the rest phenomena. Think of the shortcomings that I mentioned before. What happens if you don’t enter this? Look at the nature.
Perhaps mindfulness looking at the aware nature. No liberation. No enlightenment. As as one suffering some sort of bitterness, it will be endless. Cannot liberate others.
Cannot help others. It cannot reveal truth to others. Cannot show the truth to others. Cannot remove root of cannot remove root of saṃsāra of other sentient beings, Cannot liberate others other sentient beings from the oceans of some kind of sufferings. And there’s great danger to misleading.
Cannot cannot show, cannot prove, cannot show, can’t can’t make others to realize this this is the immorals. This is a wrong concept, holding things through the existence. And I’m sure this truth. What is false? What is truth in the object?
And what is the wrong concept? The root root of the suffering. Can no. No. No.
Believe this is right this is right unmistakable thought. So one cannot show that this is a wrong concept, and that this is to be a ban to be extinguished, to be eradicated. Then other sentient beings, they have to suffer. The endlessly devotion. I was called called the phenomena’s story.
Changing the game, even second by second, even second to the last. And all that can be stopped in time. Like what I do. Including for life, for some body, possession, family members, or the subject of attachment, anger. As far as the emotions, Those other negative emotion thoughts.
Not all that. All the phenomenons, they do not exist that they appear to me. The mind. Like dream. Think meaning of dream.
What does it mean dream? There’s appearance but don’t exist. There’s appearance object but do not exist. That’s one thing. Other things, even the dream things appear truly existent, exist from from their own side.
Even the dream, it really appears. Doesn’t mean it’s true. Doesn’t doesn’t mean true. They don’t they don’t exist at all. Even even name, even conventionally do not exist at all, but still appears existing from their own side.
Even they don’t exist conventionally, don’t exist even name, but still they appear still they appear real one, independent one, existing from the society. So there are two examples. One, do not exist. Do not exist. Appear, but do not exist.
Other one, same day here, the inherently existent, truly existent, eye, action, object, all these phenomena, they don’t exist, but appear to us as the mind. That one, that what you see what what is a dream? What appears to the senses? They don’t exist conventionally, but still they appear to a hundred percent mind, a real one existing, really exist. It appears you really exist.
Real one, independent one, existing on the other side. So it’s exactly same here. Put the dream of put the dream on all this. Bring the dream on this, on all this. I, action, object, or this kanana.
The way it’s appearing the earth’s appearing to us or has in the mind. What is the one from there, appearing from there. So that means all these are totally empty. All these phenomena are totally empty. Of existing from the totally empty empty of existing from the oneself, the real one.
All this cost nonpermanent, time story, that’s impermanent, changing, decaying, do not last even from seconds to a second, even within seconds. Post second to post second caused the phenomena to not exist till the next second. Even tingling even tingling to subtle impermanence or extreme subtle phenomena as a impermanence, it already gives an idea. They they are dependent arising. It destroys the concept.
Everything on that, it loosens the wrong concept. Holding it independent. It grows independent. Wrong concept holding the phenomena cultural phenomena to to grow independent. Right?
So what we discussed before, the mind labeling the phenomenas. Does the mind play? When we label, do we label on some do do we label on something or not? Do do we level on something or not? That’s good.
You have to level on something. So so that means does it exist? Does does it does it exist when you you when you label I, does it exist on which you label the phenomena on which you label I? Or it exists on phenomena on which you label? Could you repeat the question, please?
I said, you know, when you so when our mind level, we level on something. Right? So what I’m saying is that, does it exist? So when you label I, does it exist on the phenomena on which you label? Or does it exist on the phenomena which you don’t on which you don’t label?
Maybe you can use we can still use the end. We can bring back can we can still we can still use the antique and the antique, the old and. So do we label on something that exists or do we label on something that doesn’t exist? Is that what you’re Is that the question? Yeah.
So you said that when you label, we have to label we have to label on something. Right? So my question is that when you label, for example, I, you know, so you’ll let’s say, Forget my question. When you label I, does it exist on the phenomena you label I, or does it exist on the phenomena you don’t label I? Yeah.
That’s right. Does the I exist on the phenomena that you label on? Or does it exist on the phenomena which on which you haven’t on which you don’t on which as a you don’t label our eye? It it exists on the phenomena that you label high. No.
It’s it’s it exists on the phenomena on which you label eye. That’s right. So it doesn’t exist on the phenomena when which you don’t live life? No. Yeah.
So so that means that means there’s iron on that. Yes. So so so which is the phenomenon on which you label I? The valid set of aggregates. The valid what?
Set of aggregates. Set of aggregates. The valid base, the aggregates. Validates. You label the eye on the valid base, which is the aggregate.
Yes. Yeah. So the I guess it so yeah. So yeah. So you label I on the valid valid base, I believe.
Yes. I think you said we should say in relation to you. We label I in relation to the aggregates. The other night, said on was a difficult word, and you thought it would be better to say it. It’s just it’s difficult for me, but I don’t have it difficult for me.
As I’m just I’m just yeah. So so anyway, the question is that so is the eye labeled on the or So the eye is labeled on the valid base valid base, I guess. Right? Yes. So it’s there.
Yes. What? The eye is there. It it’s external. The eye is the eye is there.
The eye is there. Just the eye is there. The eye is there. Where? Where?
Here. Here, but not on the aggregates. Yeah. Here on the aggregates. On the hearer on these aggregates.
Yes. Here on the aggregates. So Mhmm. So you can find. So you can find the eyes on the there’s eye on the base, valid base.
Right? Yes. So so there is oh, you can find the eye on that case. No. You can’t find the eye you can’t find the eye on that case.
So it doesn’t exist. It exists on the aggregates. It exists, but you can’t find. It goes for the same story. After you finish drinking tea from your mug, do you find tea in mug?
After you think completely. No. You can’t find tea. No. You can’t find tea.
No. So if you find tea, it means it exist. So you can’t find tea in mud, right, after drinking tea? That’s right. Yeah.
Can’t find. So see. You can so you Why you cannot find? Because there’s no valid base for the tea. There’s no valid base for the tea once you’ve finished it.
So if it’s a valid place, then you can find then you can find the tea. If there’s a valid base. If there’s a valid base, then you can find the tea. Yes. Mhmm.
So you find the I on the tickets. You can find the eye. You can find the You eye on the eye. You can Because it’s a valuable. Is valuable.
The eye existing, but you can’t find it within the aggregates. You can so you can find the eye on the aggregates. No? So that means you can find eye on the aggregates because it has a body place. You can find the eye On the iris.
Where the aggregates are. You can find the eye. You can find or you can’t find it? You can find the eye existing, but when you search the aggregates, you can’t find it. When you search aggregates, you can’t find it.
Yeah. When you search the aggregates, you can find the eye. Yeah. When other. When you see the eye, because you can like the eye.
What do you mean what do you mean searching the eye? Yes. What do you mean by searching the eye? Yes. When you when you search the I guess, you don’t find eye.
What do you mean by searching the eye? When you look for the truly existing eye, you can’t find that in the And when you look for the merely labeled eye, because it’s so subtle, you can find the eye by seeing the aggregates, but when you search the aggregates, you can’t find the merely labeled eye. Can can you say again? It just went round. The eye is merely labeled on the aggregates, which is a very subtle way that things exist.
So although when you see the aggregates, you can say, I see the eye. When you see somebody’s aggregates then you can say that you see that person, you can find that person, you know, but when you are looking for the merely labelled eye on the aggregates you can’t find it. So there’s a difference between seeing When you what? When you so when you see that person’s aggregates, when you see the aggregates, then you find the person. Right?
That’s right. That’s right. Mhmm. So when you ‘re when you’re looking at how the person exists and you understand it to be a merely labeled person Yeah. When you look for that person in amongst the aggregates or on the aggregates, you can’t find anything to point to because the merely labeled person exists in a very subtle way.
There’s nothing to find. So when you So when you’re looking into the when you’re looking into the aggregates, then you don’t find you don’t find person. You see? When you’re looking into When you’re looking for the merely labeled eye Mhmm. In amongst the aggregates, you can’t find it.
Oh. On the aggregates, you can’t find it. Mhmm. But if you’re looking for the can’t find it. Can’t find.
Why can’t find? Because it exists in a subtle way. It exists in subtle way. Where? On the aggregates.
So so so so this That see. What’s the differences that you can’t find eye on eye gets? Can find or can find? Make sure. First.
If you’re looking for the person, you’ve got to find the aggregates to find the person. Yeah. So so we don’t go to the person. Just stick with the eye. Just to make it clear.
So what’s the differences that you know, the eye. You see? The eye. The eye cannot be found on the base like it’s the value base like it. And the I, and you cannot find the I on the table.
Both the same, you can’t find. Right? Both the same, you can’t find. Right? Yeah.
So what’s the difference? You can’t find eye on the table and you can’t find eye on the ears. Whereabouts of the advocate? Yeah. What’s the difference between do put on a table where there are You you can’t find eye on that case.
You can’t find eye. You can’t find eye. You can’t you can’t find eye in your nose, and you can’t find eye on the eye. What’s the differences? The eye that you can’t find on the aggregates is the newly labeled eye that does exist, and the eye that you’re trying to find in the nose, in one part of the aggregates, is the truly existent eye which doesn’t exist at all.
The middle level I exist in the nose. Middle level I I exist on the eye case. Right? The nose nose is on the eye is on the Right? Yes.
Mhmm. So may level eye doesn’t exist in the nose? It exists on eye gaze, but not in nose. Does it mean that I exist on your head? On your head?
If you just saw the head, then you could label. If if it’s hard with yourself, but because you if you’re looking for someone and you just see the top of their head. No. We’ll we’ll we’ll do this. That’s this.
We’ll do this. Does the male level eye exist on the form? I guess form. No. Why not?
Because it exists on the four or five aggregates. Mhmm. Merely labeled eye exists on the four or five aggregates, and just the form aggregate is not enough. The merely labeled eye exists on the four the collection of the four or five aggregates. Oh, I see.
Okay. So so it mainly of light is not on each one, but on the the let’s see. All the photons gathered. Yeah. On the four or five.
Okay. Let me see. Mhmm. So so now so now here. K.
When you die, when the when the when the consciousness, when the mind, body and mind, when the mind is separate from the body, when the mind we see, when the mind is separate from the body, what is left? So I just noticed that. Because that there’s What? What? The the there’s the now there’s not all for there’s no collection of five.
Yes, sir. Is it? Yes, there is. No. When the body is left, when the body is when the mind is separated from from the body.
The gross body? Yeah. When the mind is separated from the body. Yes. From the gross body.
I’m not There’s still the subtle body. There’s still the subtle there’s still the aggregate of form is there. Mhmm. Because you have the subtle aggregate of form still there. Oh, yeah.
Okay. Mhmm. Mhmm. So the mhmm. So what about One day, I just say yeah.
But formless. Isn’t there a formless being? Yes. Yeah? Yes.
From is it formless beam? That’s right. But they have form. According according according to you, have they have form. That’s right.
The formless formless being, they have form. That’s right. That’s right. Formless being, they have form. That’s right.
Yes. So they’re not formless. They’re given the name formless because from a sūtra point of view, they don’t have gross Secret point of view. Sūtra. From a sūtra point of view Yeah.
They don’t have gross form. Yeah. From a tantric point of view, they have So I can’t count that there’s no there’s no desire realm, form real, form form real. No. I can’t tantra.
There’s no three realms. The three realms are there. Tantra accepts the three realms. But the explanation They form real, form real, form real. Desire realm from this realm.
They don’t accept that? Yes. They do. They do. They do.
Do. They They do accept. That’s right. Mhmm. They they do accept.
Should be formed, because the the subtle mind, subtle subtle body subtle body. So They don’t so I go on what you said before, having subtle having subtle having subtle body mean if you label that form, having form. No. Because they accept formless refers to not having a gross form. They accept that formless refers to not having a gross form.
So same. So that is same with the children, but there’s no difference. There’s no differences. Not except not not except for gross form. So that, say So there so there’s a phenomena.
Let’s see. So there’s a phenomena. There’s a phenomena which exist but you can’t find. Yes. Yes.
So all the phenomena exist but you can’t find. All the phenomena exist but you can’t find. They they exist, but you can’t find them when you search their valid face. Mhmm. Yeah.
So so when you The So where they for example, you you see the table here? You see the table here? Oh. Oh. So Where’s so on this this base on this value base, there’s table.
Right? Yes. There’s table. There’s a table on this. What is the value based?
So see. But you can’t find table. But but you can’t find but table is is there, but you can’t find it. You can’t find it when you search the evidence? You can’t yep.
Sorry. You can’t find it when you search the valid face. When you search the valid face. When you search the when you search the valid face. You mean What do you mean by that?
You mean what it is a table? What it is? You mean checking inside the checking what this table inside or what what do mean? Well, the table exists in a subtle way. It’s the table is nearly labeled on the valid base.
Yeah. So when you search on the valid base, you can’t find that conception of table on that base. Mhmm. It’s too subtle. Conceptional table.
What about awareness knows table to exist on the valid base. Awareness knows table by understanding the valid base the table is there. And so when you actually look for the table on the valid base, it’s too subtle to be able to be found. Mhmm. Too subtle, but it’s there.
Yeah. Too subtle, but it’s but but it’s but it’s table on the on the base. Yes. Mhmm. Table exists.
Mhmm. Table exists, and there’s nowhere other for it to exist apart from Mhmm. So when you cut this when you say when you cut this when you cut this half when you cut this half, is there still a table? No. Is there is there is there a table on this base when you cut this half?
No. Why? What’s not happening? Because you destroyed the the base of the table. If the table the table leg broke, the table leg is you cut Yeah.
The table? There’s no table. That’s not the table? No. Oh, I see.
Okay. So so when you cut small when you cut when you cut when when breaks when piece from here breaks, the table knocks down breaks. Some piece goes some piece goes away. There’s no table. Then there would be a table.
In that situation, there would still be a table. But when the legs are broken, there’s no table. That’s right. But So there’s no broken table? Broken table doesn’t exist?
Broken table. Broken car. Broken table doesn’t exist. Broken car. Depends how you define broken.
Broken just by So so missing a corner. So this see. Say so the leg when the leg went away, when the leg went away, it’s not able. Right? Yes.
That’s So now listen. But you had you had Parkinson’s, you lost a leg. That is an eye. Parkinson’s, you lost a leg. That’s an eye.
I So the diabetes would be Why? You know, this cancer cut the eye. Cut cut cut the eye. Cut the Cut the leg in the hospital. You know, hospital.
Mhmm. Brother cut the leg. Then there’s the eye. Why? Why?
The same. But the same. It’s not the same. Because I see It’s not the same. Table.
Level the leg of the table is gone. There’s no table. There’s no table. There’s basis for leaving the table requires it to have legs, whereas the valid basis of the person doesn’t require it to have legs. That’s very interesting subject.
So when this this one when this one went, still there’s table. Right? That’s right. So this one went? There’s table?
Yes. This one went? Yes. So this one went? Table?
Oh, that that’s difficult. There are also other things there. So you break you so you break the legs. You break both legs. You know?
So after both legs broken, then you can’t find table. Right? I mean, one leg is broken, but they can’t find tables. So how you find table, both legs are broken. Yeah.
Right? That’s right. So so the so the so what what I’m saying? No. Right?
There’s no table. What I’m saying, there’s no table. There’s no table on this base when the when the both legs are broken. There’s no table That’s right. On the breast.
Yeah? Mhmm. So when the both when the both legs are broken, you can’t when the when the both the legs are broken, say. Say. You know, slowly use this one.
You use throw this one on the floor, then you put them up. You put the things on the top. When the legs gone, let’s use this one. Or you put the bricks. You can put two bricks, and then you put this one.
Oh, even without that, just put this on the floor, then you put things on the top. So that time so that time, say That time, does the patient has table or not? When you put it on the bricks, do you have a table? Yeah. When you put in the bricks, so, you know, put off the bricks or even without bricks.
So when you put over the bricks, does the person’s table? Yes. Or when you put on bricks, even though legs are broken, even though their legs are gonna go It’s got new new brick legs. But without the bricks when there’s no bricks, so the does the person at table not? No.
No. No. So the person can’t see. Can you use a tissue bag? In the tissue, the box.
That’s table. When you when you use tissue bag, this has a tissue. This paper bag and paper bag. Yeah. So you put put in put things on top.
So that you can use that to you can you can use can you use that as table or not? Yes. We can use that as table. Yeah? To put things on top.
Right? Yeah. Okay. So that time the person has table. Yes.
But the person uses the board. The person but the person uses this laptop on to put on his top. That time doesn’t the person doesn’t have table. But when the person uses the the in the the paper bag, what You can use it as a The box. Yeah.
Then the person has table. You you can use it as a table. Mhmm. But you can use it as a table, but it’s really providing the function of a table, but it’s not actually It doesn’t really fulfill the definition. Even though you can use it as a table.
Isn’t the person using when the person uses a box, isn’t the person using for table? Yes. They are. Using for table. Right?
They’re using it for table. Yeah. Something that can lift up things. So why not the when the legs are gone, you put this on the floor, then you put this on top. Why that that time the person at that time, he said, that time, the person is not using the table.
Well, it’s not lifting anything up. If you’ve only got the top of the table, you’re not really lifting things up. It’s not really doing the function of the table. It’s not doing the function of the table when they say put it up on the floor and they put a mark, things on top of that. What’s the definition the table?
What is the definition of the table? Not something that lift up in that they can put things on top. Well, can use it as a table. What what then what’s the definition of table? Look at that.
What’s the definition of table? I don’t know. That’s it. A flat space that you can use to put things on. A flat horizontal surface that you can that is lifted off off the ground that you can put things on.
What did you say? What did you say? Something that functions as a table. Yes. That’s right.
So doesn’t it function table when you put this board or the legs go away? You could argue that it did. You could argue that it did. Did? You can argue that case.
You can use it and call it a table, but whether it really fulfills the definition of a table. I think that could be more If so it it doesn’t function as table? It doesn’t function table at that time? It is The you have piece of you have piece of log. Yeah.
You have piece of log. Yeah. You see, you have piece of log. Then, you know, then you say you you use piece of log. Yeah.
They can put things on top. So that time is that time is that table? That time is that table? Yes. You could call it a table.
So there’s so that is table? Yes. That piece of log Yeah. You put there? That’s a table.
That is a table, but it’s not a table. You know, when you put this board on the floor to use things to to put on top. Yes. It’s too low to be able. It’s too low.
Very low table. It hasn’t got any. It’s a very low table. Yeah. Okay.
I think we’ll leave at the low table. So what was the I want to mention that another example not not an example object object to be object to recognize. Another example, objectivity can be useful. Is it. So we check we check where’s the table, you see?
We check where’s the table. So where is it? Where is it? So on this on this, there’s a table or the, you know, on the side of the table. So other side of this side, however, by searching where’s table, We look for and could not find.
We look for and could not find at the end. But search on this and but search on this unable to find. But after all that after all that after all that, you only look at the table. You see, The table real in your view, the real There’s there’s there’s The the appearance of a real table is still there. After all this after all this, you see you see, when you look at the table, there’s there’s a real table table appearing from there.
After finishing all the analysis, when you then when you look at, there’s a real table appear there’s a real table appearing from there. There’s a real table up real table appearing from there. You see? Not immediately on the table. You see?
Appearing. Independent table. There’s independent table existing from the side. You see, I put it to the other. I’m gonna square the table chain.
Couldn’t find. But when you look at when you look at your when you examine when you examine your, you know, your perception, there’s there’s a real table table up in there, independent ones. So, you see, The independent independent Independent table table existing from the side. Nothing touched that that too. See?
That that one that one’s still there. Nothing that one’s still there. Nothing touched to that. See? I mean see.
And so according to the way which explained common to seven point of thought transmission in Monastery. So at that time, which explained the object definition of object were refuted. When you see the label base of the table and the label table are undifferentiable. Base of the table and label table undifferentiable, so that you can’t differentiate those two in your view. So which introduce the object with the footage in in that way.
So that means we will send aggregates and I. You know, you differentiate aggregates and I. Also, bias can be said that, you know, maybe a little bit easy, the body is not I. But but this is maybe a bit easy to understand what is not I. But very easy to believe the mind is I.
So according to according to said that when you think when you think about reincarnation, which is mainly relates to mind. So that time, when you think about reincarnation, looks looks the eye looks like the eyes looks like the eyes on the conscious. You know, There’s a real eye there’s a real eye on the consciousness. And when you think when you think about when you think about the body, exhibit is the body, then you this appearance will rely on the body. You know?
That that lama, you use this example as object when you when you so when you think of the mind can’t, you know, reincarnation like that, we see cognitive consciousness, then appear to rely rely on the consciousness. When when you think of the body, they rely on the body. Said, so we do feel know, when we talk about, you know, something which do only with the mind, you know, not only with the body. That looks like the eyes on that and look into the conscious. So you see, when we while we’re talking, if we we if we look at if we examine, you know, how the eye appears that time.
Mhmm. Let’s see. And believe. Mhmm. But I come to Papangatas Nimbo said, that not the way that you do that to get that experience, but it’s not real object was refuted, said by.
That I mentioned that. Let me see. The base the base aggregates base and then the base aggregates and then label eye undifferentiable undifferentiable without differentiating. And then so start like that. Yeah.
Yeah. I’ll hear from my experience. And then this the aggregates, the collections collections of five, I guess, not in specific form this is this, but just in general. On this, Then I appeared not near level not near level, but mind, you know, and the existence of which the existence which is to be labeled, you see, question is like it. But in particular, disease, but it’s general general.
On these the things. I, not me, level by mind. The Lingua Lingua So is a well, this is a particular is a particular expression in Tibetan term, expressing expressing how it appears. You know? Lingual is like how you see the clouds, you know, kind of something real from there, you know.
Is it’s termed that expression, you know, how it appears. Existing, you know, is something something real existing from society. Lingualization is an expression, but it contains that meaning. So the you know, that there’s a light here and then you on the wall, there’s a candle plants on there. Then on the on the wall, you see, you see, that I see.
You know, you do some with your fingers or something or some material, you know, then you keep it bring it shadow it bring a shadow on the on the wall. Looks like this. Looks like a spider or looks like some animal there, you see. So when you didn’t know that this is shadow, but when you when you when believe that there’s an animal there, You know, way it looks, you know, where it shape, where it looks, then your mind labeled because you’re not as clear as a shadow of sea. So the mind labeled, see, spider or whatever, you know, animal.
Then believe in that, then then you have something real animal appearing from there. So linear. So maybe you wanna bring from there. So linear. Then after that, another expression that also means, you know, independent.
I don’t know. It’s difficult it’s difficult to put exactly this expression is difficult to put exactly, but the meaning meaning that meaning same something from a society and independent. Without dependent cost, conditions, energy, without dependent anything, it it exists from the side. Then appearing, you know, appearing like this. They are appearing like that.
See? So that is what wanna say, that’s the then this is the mistaken. When you recognize this, then this and then then you have you have recognized the unmistaken object with refuted. So that So so then so then that on right on that, right right on top of that. So that so that’s the target.
That so that’s we have recognized the target that time. We recognize the target that time. Then we then we see what so whatever for analysts, so there are many other for mother because of mother figure, there are many other, you know, where is it read, I’d say, analyzing, checking, you see whether this is not. You know? So without losing that, so right, without losing that, you know, that is a so without losing that, then you use all the reasons right on that is to analyze what it exists not.
So so all the all the shortest or the shortest one, you know, the king the king of the logic dependent is it dependent arising? Look, there are some of the logics, the king of the logic. And this is very good. The short meditation. This is very simple, but it’s very like, told you about very powerful.
That so this are subject recognized object to be repeated like this like. Then say, this is this is not this is not true. This is a non true accident. So it it appears you’re truly accident. So I’m not saying it doesn’t have true distance.
It doesn’t have true distance or it is non true distance because, you know, because I is dependent arising. So you put that like atomic bomb, you see, depend on rising. So so when you meant the meaning when you meant the meaning of the extremely subtle, the definition dependent arising is going to pass in there. Ask the school. It’s written words, but the English word comes depending on.
Let’s see. English comes on that. So connecting to relating to that. Relating Relating to that, I guess. So in English, comes to depend so I don’t know what you can say depending what I’ll say on, but that’ll be depending.
So depending to so depending to the idea, I guess. So I know, maybe not the correct English, but however, depending to the idea is that. And actually actually, in the text, I don’t I didn’t really in the text, philosopher text, I didn’t see saying on, the the Tibetan word on thing, you know. The no Danny means the bad the bad the brain too or really too, but the brain too. So I see in the text, I of course, my side so I I don’t read, so I think in my side is very limited.
So, you know, the philosophy. I think numb normally, you don’t normally, even my view, normally you don’t see you normally don’t see on thing. If you translate into STibetan is ten two, you know, ten ne. It’s always always you see ten ne. The brain two relating to ten ne.
Always always ten ne. Tell a ten ne. You know? By the bank bank to the many say, normal it’s a normal language, maybe not quite, but I I use but it’s it’s seems it seems common saying that on breaks in the text. This and this I’m telling just my own just my own view and experience.
You see, it didn’t say much didn’t say much in the text saying on. So this has a great meaning. It doesn’t but to bring to that, depending to relating relating to simply means reason because this base is because this because base exist. Because there’s the because there’s the base in the base, let’s say, exist. So because of because that because of that because of that, the label exists.
You know? The the main thing is because there’s a budget base. But it exists. It exists. So the label is exists.
Mhmm. Label what you receive, it exists. So no try without no trust in the business. But a basic debt. So anyway, so so because there’s the valid base, see, mind mind me mind merely imputed mind merely imputed.
So it exists it exists being merely imputed by the mind. For the eye, as it exists. So it is not it doesn’t have inherently, it doesn’t have true existence because it dependent arising. Then they’ll then they’ll miss then it’s depending the then it’s depend and depending. Then they’ll is connected.
They’ll connect to then they’ll in which in which is actually the reason because because it is the eyes depends, say, then they’ll depend. See. Anyway, depend depend arising or dependent then they’ll dependent arising to one. And so so so because because there’s a valid base, I guess, you know, so I exist being merely exist being merely imputed by mind. So that’s for the subtle subtle dependency.
So when you when you think when you think when you think the very meaning that you when you think when you think the exact if you think exactly according to words, if you you want to concentrate, if you to think and understand exactly according to words, I it’s merely a bit of our mind. Existing existing being merely a bit of our mind. So when you think that so when you think that some the eye you come at the point, you see, seeing the eye. When you think the very when you think, see, exactly equal to mean the words, says then the you see the eye. Totally empty.
You know? Totally empty. Totally, you know, empty of existing from the side. Totally empty. And and then if it exists and it’s not not nonexistent, but exists, exists but in my name, we limit it by mind.
So it’s like that. Something unbelievable, truly subtle phenomenon. So you see, so when you think of that, the vendor how the asset depends on rising, there’s some zone, Then then you and then it proves then it proves the object object object of ignorance. You see, that which holds upper hand that the eyes truly existent. So it, you know, so that destroys that.
Said, so makes makes to see that’s empty makes to see that’s empty, Not there. Total non existent right there. You know, it doesn’t go anywhere. You know? Doesn’t doesn’t go through the drawer somewhere.
You know, some place, beach or somewhere, you see, doesn’t go up. But just or or in the hotel or somewhere, it doesn’t go up. But it’s just there, you know, from where is the pregnancy to to just there. So that. Thirty.
Oh. Yeah. So So I think And as soon as you used to introduce object like this, the label tape the label table, you see, mixed, you know, is it is it within the is it within the base is it within the base. The label table is it table is it within the within the base. So it’s it may as soon as you express like that, but it is the main same what is said and to and differentiable.
It is come to the same point. So as you see a label table mixed in the base. However however however I think I think this I think all this is a, you know, I think expression of, I think, different, you know, individual persons different individual persons according to their familiarity, you know, according to how things, you know, when the end of this person described how the how the object how the objects appeared and she and believed. So I think this different expression, I think. However, There’s some that do some that say you know, something they get.
Is it the way the the way the ignorance how, you know, the object, but how it appears. You know? And not aggregates it. Not not the aggregates is I. No.
Not the way. The how to appear how the English believe is that oh, let’s see. So as I pop see, In a on the base on the base on the base, I guess on the base, I guess on the base, I guess that there’s an eye. There’s an eye on the eye. There’s eye on like this.
There’s don’t like this. But see. From above the from above the I guess see, from above the I guess, a real eye appearing on real eye appearing, real eye in the sense appearing from there. In the sense, meaning appearing from there. So not I guess I, but we see on target, there’s I.
Zero one in the sense appearing from there. See, so so on the aggregate, so on the aggregate independent eye, an an an independent eye, you see. There’s a real eye. Unlike this. So independent eye appear from there.
So the that so that is the how actually if the the actual the how the person how you know, how the person To the yeah. To the the the, to the conceptualist. When when when the when the ignorance the concept of the ignorance concept of holding the eye to the witness, when the one is one is focused on this focused eye, you see, the how the eye appears for that. Oh, totally totally totally conductive towards the wisdom the way the wisdom the way the wisdom see the eye, realize the eye. Is the let’s see.
To to see. It it’s empty. The eyes enter of existing from the society. Eyes enter of in that real enter of the real real one, independent in a sense independent exist from the society, totally empty of that. So that was wisdom wisdom see.
So where the ignorance the way ignorance apprehend the way it holds on to the eye is totally opposite of wisdom. Right. So so So I think this different way of different way of explaining the object to pre puberty, you know, I think what I think is my way to do, because not for not not for not for the gurus. You know? They don’t they don’t have that.
That’s it. Don’t have they don’t have a dualistic view. Is the ordinary is the ordinary being how do you think of how how the object appears to them? How do you think of? So the so I guess those who those who are those who have some familiarity, you know, through meditation, some familiarity object to what is what is end of.
So those who are those who are able to recognize those who are able to recognize in your own perception, is it able to recognize able to recognize what is false. What is a false view? What’s able to recognize? What’s empty off? So I think so for them, I think for them, I think, you know, it’s it’s on the bet on on the base, true existence, you see, on on that phenomenon.
So the on on the table on the table. On the table, there’s two legs. On the on the base on the base of the table on the base of the table, then there’s a independent table, a real table in the sense existing from the side. So I’ll say appearing like that. So able to able to recognize that, the view of the universe.
And then for then for some others then for some others, you see, not even maybe that even that I never recognize. And never recognize that, like that. It’s not clear. And, see, I never recognize the false view. So, you know, how so how they see is it.
So the base and the base and the label table are undifferentiable. You know? And undifferentiable, like like I said, mixed within within the mixed mixed in it. Mixed in that. So I think there might be, you know, different individual persons, say, expressing the I think the familiarity, you know, of recognition of the how much we recognize your own perception, the hallucination thing with that.
So I have this is one good example of our object. So you look for a table, mean, yeah, for example, table, you look for table and then where is it, know, could not find, you research, where is it could not find, you know, whether this is table, no, whether is table, no, whether this that side table or other side table. It appears not stable. And even the whole group is not stable. The whole group is not stable, the old group is not stable.
Even old thread is not table. And then you see and then you second the second is you look for where is it. You know, first of all, you check every piece of the table knot and even altogether is table knot, you know, not then you see then you look where is it now, Where is it? We’re talking about we’re talking about before before on. So where is it?
So let’s say, we look for cannot find in any part. Let’s say, the way we look for confined. But then when you look but but then when you when you examine your view of table, the independent table, so that’s let’s see. There’s an independent table. It’s still there, still there, nothing touched.
So that is a very good example. And there’s a zero table there. So that’s a very good example of objective So then here is it. So this means this means your this means your analysis is not done not done on the on the right on the target of the real table, independent table, table existing upon the side. Object of ignorance, really, your analysis never touched on that.
So your analyst missed the point. You know, when you’re shooting to enemy, you see, you missed a you missed a bullet, you missed a target, you know? You missed out like that. You see? So that’s it.
So this is exactly what happened here. We see not knowing not knowing how to maintain on that. Not not knowing, you see, how to maintain on this. So I missed the point. Therefore for unless the four point, you missed out the most important one.
The the first one, recognizing recognizing the the object of the beauty. So the the the the see, from very beginning from very beginning, missed out the point. So then how much then how much you spend time to analysis? Then you see, in reality, it did become it did not become it in reality, it did not become it didn’t become mentational entities. You see, no matter how many logics, all those extensive logics from other mega, you know, many different ways.
What’s that? Sevenfold. What’s that? Seven. What’s that?
Seven. There’s seven ways to examine. Okay. However, how then It’s not it didn’t become mentorship in this. One one of our resident resident one of our great teacher, the resident teacher, saying that, even searching the mirror level table, searching the mirror level table, there is analysis on the ultimate nature.
Mental analysis. It will become the analyst of ultimate nature. So I said I want to see that. As I said, I want to see the scripture that says that this, you know, looking for they may say searching the middle of the table, you see, that becomes, you know, analyst on the ultimate nature. So I said, I want to see I want to see the text that says this, the analyst on the album.
Look look over, says, could not find could not find that word, you know, could not find. Anyway, not everyone, but there’s a common it seems there’s a common not mentioned. Actually, if you’re in the lumbrum lumbrum middle lumbrum is there, which is a basic program. The lumbrum middle lumbrum, there in a section of the tongue to inside. There there you see, lot of sound was planned.
In the past, I think I told you before. So look. So I don’t remember what what was it. So you look for the vase. You look for the what is it?
You look for the well, this means you see this means you see like that what I mentioned a table. Two weeks in the past that appears to you that you believe nothing touched, but the way but just where is the vast, you know? Where is the largest look, you know? On every page that you see. Well, then you cannot could not find.
At the end, you cannot find nothing to point out, nothing clear. No conclusion of clear. And and then this that this this this your say, how’s it? To your mind, this this pimping, I think I think it probably nothing to find out and maybe I think maybe sort of like it. No no no solidity no solidity and the shimmering from the like the same same expensive drug.
We have taken drug. It’s the whole house building. You know, they they said they told us. They told me that they they told me how they feel. So I think maybe like that.
Those, you know, the hippie hippie time, happy happy time or hippie time. You know, those those times when we when we when we were in the very old building, the old house that built by the, you know, Nebuchadnezzar’s king, previous king for their guru or their astrology. See. It was a very early time when we staying there. That tiny room, if you come to the door gate, then the first tiny room where we were there, my mama said.
So that time, I think one student I don’t know what student or not, but one, you know, one one guy with long hair gave us to LSD. Offered one to Lama and one to myself. I know. I don’t know. I But anyway, somebody wears a lot.
I think tall body and long hair. Think someone gave it actual LSD. So I don’t know what I don’t know I don’t know I don’t know what happened with LSD. Anyway, maybe the absorption dharmakaya. And the I’m joking.
Anyway, I’m saying yeah. So then you guess, I sent my pen pen. I think that then I think to point out is it. Not to the conclusion. It was lost.
So you can say lost. You see? So then the says, It’s a falling falling fall fell nihilism, destroying the destroying the dependent arising. Because because you see, what you’re looking for is main level of ours. You see?
So that we could not find there. So then then you see, you think then you think the past doesn’t exist. So that destroys it. It doesn’t help. That destroyed it.
What the the this destroys what exists. I mean, say, it doesn’t that doesn’t I say, makes the fallen illusion. It doesn’t help to it doesn’t help to say say, to realize You see, the vast empty of it. True existence. The vast is empty of true existence.
That doesn’t you can see that this one here doesn’t harm at all slightest, even slightest to, you see, the the true the true existence true existence that appears to you on the on the miliary vas. Isn’t that you see, it doesn’t do any harm, slightest harm. You see, looking for look searching the mirror level of us. That is anything. You see, then it doesn’t doesn’t doesn’t harm the object or ignorance.
Then the the the danger you fall in the illusion. See? So that’s very clear. They quote and Papanga quoted this middle problem. But it seems there’s but it seems there’s a I don’t think everybody, but there’s systems some common with the debate or common common it become common.
But the teacher told told me that, you know, all this all this, you know, checking me, level one, middle and see. You know, this become an additional. This is very common. This is a this is very common. Was this is very common.
But I asked for where I want to see the text. They’re saying that when then check check check, then letter said, could not find the the text. Anyway, this just any information, just this. Sometimes there’s just a I don’t know. Maybe sometimes maybe a little bit like this.
Mainland Chinese government, for example, actually people in Mainland China have no idea how Tibetan people suffered. In the protest, I think people read, they have no idea at all. Because they have the wrong information about Tibet, you know, you know, part of many channel that so which was where all the information taught in taught in schools like that. Even though it wasn’t true even though it wasn’t true though it wasn’t true in reality, wasn’t let it there’s all these, you know, so many things borderline and all these writings, you know, by the kings. But anyway, that’s what was taught in school for many years from ancient time.
We’re taught as part of Tibet, you see, part of part of China. So anyway, so this wrong the wrong information about his Dalai Lama like that. You know, the negative looking at the ordinary person, discriminating mind like that. So so somebody told somebody told, you know, the one see. I mean, they so somebody, you see, passed the you know, told told from one person to another person and then that person to another one.
So it’s like that. So it become not that actually you experienced, you met someone’s dilemma and you really saw this being, know, taking control of that. Just because you will see what you’re told. So you’re able to follow. I mean, just follow like that what you were told.
You see what you’re told. And then that person was told by somebody. So that so it looks maybe Of course, it’s not everybody, but it’s just since some little bit like that. I think it’s but it’s helpful for me you know, to search that. So how you got So again here so again here, you have to realize one Sangha.
Oh, now it’s not Sangha. Now now now sangha. Before sangha. Now sangha. Yeah.
It started for many, many years. It started by and and the great teachers started many years. Yeah. The, you know, philosopher philosopher test. Anyway, so So he said so he could not find the table.
Yeah. He said the table could not find table. So So you’re gonna see one teacher at the center and, oh, if you cannot find it, of course, you have realized that this then I went to another teacher and told, I could not find the table. I said, oh, then? He said, relax.
And he said, then I came to Kampan, and told I told Lama Hindu. So I was that time, I was staying in a small room, you know, where I stayed many years many years in that small room. Kepan upstairs, the old Kumba upstairs. Years when we turned this course, I think, know, six, seven or all those in in old courses, old ancient courses. Primitive, yeah.
Primitive courses. But it benefits primitive renounced, you know, the course had no comfort to say. Anyway, I would have gone through that. So so the this this came to to, you know, this what he cannot find the table. And there’s two teachers went in.
They said they and they said they’re this. So then I I think I might I might ask him that I’m not sure. But do you actually see the table is empty? Do you actually see the, you know, the it so breathe the thing, you know, the table really empty, you know, thing totally empty. But it’s no.
No. No. He said he I think I had some I think talked to someone. He said, no. That that one is not.
So it’s so you see the so this so you see, one something, one lama. So mental emptiness, they realize emptiness. Realize emptiness of the eye. So can got so scared. So scared.
He grabbed here. Grabbed here. So then then exist then say, existence existence of the eye is on the tongue. Tongue, this is tongue. So grabbing.
So realize, you see, let’s say, is this the conventional to the eye defined by grabbing the tongue. So nothing is it. Nothing there. So I think just grabbing here because there’s so much fear. See?
So grabbing here, then I say, just enough that that just a concept. I think just to find that definition existent eye is, say, on the on the tongue. On the tongue, so to say, we have so much fear. So grab tongue. So so the so what happened was the yeah.
So there’s nothing there. Totally. So is it lost as the other, you know, that has been living so far from beginning, but complete loss. See, that you’re living without any doubt. Totally.
I mean, you’re not totally realize totally empty. So because there’s a spot, but then there’s there’s a dragon here. So then, they want to define that I exist. You see, the male level I. So there but there’s a male level I.
Just main name. It’s able to able to realize that by holding to the long eyes. So so this you see, this independent table, you have to realize totally empty there. You know, have to sit totally empty. You know, what’s up in there?
This total empty there. You know, no and in that total empty, no slice of atom of the and I think you may have to during that time, what is here is meant to however, there’s no discrimination during that time. This English, this military, there’s no such thing during that time. There’s no this there’s no discrimination of this and that during that time. Let’s see.
So So I thought this might be helpful example, the objective of opportunity. Yeah. Then, of course, other one is there. Volume you’re maintained on emptiness, see, while it analysis. Or when you do the Dharma kind of meditation, That time, like looking from the airplane, if it become like looking to the airplane, looking from the airplane windows, looking to the airplane airplane windows outside, there’s space, you know, space to to window space.
If it’s like if it become like that, if it’s become like that, that’s not a mechanical entrance. That’s, you know, that’s this material is just material space, not let’s see. It’s not material. So you see that when you’re looking from the mountain or from the airplane to the window, you almost space. So eyes there, eyes there and you’re looking space.
So like that, similar here, we implemented emptiness to analysts or the Dharma commentation. So that there’s a real eye real eye. Even though you don’t have form, it’s absorbed. So there’s a real eye there in the space, meditating emptiness like that. Then that let me see.
Unless you are maintaining on unless you are maintaining unless you are maintaining on the ultimate of the unless you are unless you are looking at the space, which is empty of substantial phenomena, then you go to you go beyond from that. You go beyond from that. This is empty of substantial phenomena. So so then, this is a space. How that how the space appear to you?
Space appear to you. A real space in a sense, independent space, existing from the side. So So this is a hallucination. This is total hallucination. So this is empty.
Total knowledge. But again, if you’re realizing that emptiness of space, empty of the real space. Not empty off substance from the empty off real the real space. Again, that during that time, you know, shouldn’t be, you see, this view of subject object, it shouldn’t be. You see, this may need to discriminate discrimination that if there’s discrimination at the time, then it it hinders material in this, you know.
And then there’s a convention, say, the the issue. Then then you see the during that time, perceptions. Yeah. Mainga. None how do you say Mainga?
None none affirmative. Affirmative. None affirmative. So that time is it. Then that time, if you’re discriminating toward that, then you have a conventional truth, appealing conventional.
You don’t have a you don’t have a, you see, emptiness. You see? Then conversion to the. So there shouldn’t be any discriminating, subject. There shouldn’t be any discriminating product.
So I’m maintaining this. There shouldn’t be talk like that. So then they didn’t see if that outcome then the mind go, the let me just say, the conversion to the appearance, you know, what happens, not the ultimate nature, say. So so so so so so that time you see, if one so that time, you see, what should be how the mentorship is there. You see, the the time exam, does I I was meditating, I was doing dharmakaya meditation.
How does it prepare to how does it prepare? So you spy. So you you might spy. See? How how the, you know, the meditator you mentor.
Let’s see. One self. Let’s see. Let’s for the so there’s there’s some of this. No no no physical things, which is all absorbed.
You know, the the absorption of that. Even the syllable absorbed of that. In the form of syllable, I’ve tried to even that all up. So this space, But it’s I but it’s the I who is meditating, see, some other aspect. Then that’s So maintain on maintain on the maintain on this eye as an object.
That one doing maintain and this, you know, which means I and the message. Not not this I, not mention m is of this I, but something else. I, I. So that you see. So not like that.
So target to maintain increase. Target mental, you see, mental emptiness. So achieve this one. Who is who who is the mediator? See, the mediator, the the self.
Then see, so one that’s what we should realize empty. You see? If it say, analysis should do this way. That that realize some of the no form, the space, you see, documentation. For that one, there’s a real eye documentation.
That one, you have you have to if you can realize that was empty. Totally not empty. You see that real one appearing. Totally not empty right there. So that’s what that’s what it work.
That’s that’s that should be our goal project. You know? Our project. So the to. So just to just one more.
The yeah. Another so another meditation empties that might be helpful. See. Well but hopefully, them Yeah. Probably, know, pay more to come.
However, one is that they might be use that might be useful to So just one thing about the From maybe use we use the example of bush, prison bush. I think the I think the wishful wishful golden sun, the the the very, very original, the very ancient old very, very ancient old book, broke upon early time courses. So I still didn’t get done anything for that. But since people since people like it, but I didn’t didn’t didn’t get anything to repair. To repair.
The old car repair. You take garage. You take what? You take where? Old car.
You take to where? Old car. In a place where you fix car. What? Garage.
The broken ones take it out, put new ones in there. Anyway, There was I think the last page, there should be I think there’s one page or not one page, think maybe one. Tibetan is not even one page, just one side. So I think I think there was a there was a little bit of meditation. We used to I think it was used there.
One of the American presidents, I think, there in the Russian film. Of the American presidents, I think. I don’t know who. Anyway, it doesn’t matter. So this so you see, maybe some help specialist beginner to get some idea there.
So that So before I say the Before the child before the before the age, you see, you know, So push this going back, you know, we tell the child, baby, you know, going back to baby time. Okay? So before, let’s say, before the aggregates, you know, consciousness took place. Conscience consciousness took place. Conscience consciousness took place.
Cartiness took place on fertilized egg in mushroom. Yeah. Before the aggregate so basically, before the aggregates, it’s ex life. Before the birth happened, even the parents, you know, decided to name Bush, to label Bush. You know?
That time Bush doesn’t exist. That time Bush doesn’t exist. Because there’s no base, you see. I could get valid base is not there. It didn’t happen.
The other one is even that had happened. Even the birth happened, the aggregate is aggregates, five. It’s it’s like it’s exist. It exists. But the parent hasn’t labeled that push.
Also, that time push doesn’t exist. You see? So both ways, Bush doesn’t exist. So now when Bush came in existence, is there is aggregates There is the aggregates. There there is the aggregates.
Then, you see, parents or whoever is putting the label. I guess, I guess, it’s there. And then, whenever the mind merely imputed bush, you know, Mainly imputed bush. Just mind made up the label bush. You see?
And agreed agreed to use that name. So the whenever the mind like, it gets there. Whenever the mind made up the label, push, and agree to it and then. See, and believe in that. So so that time, then push came in existence.
Whenever that happened, then push came in existence. So now here, what is the push? Nothing other. Now what is push? Nothing other except what is merely labeled by mind.
That’s it. What is the push? Nothing nothing other. Nothing other except what is merely left behind. You see?
So that so now here, push. You see? What is push? Again, like I. Extremely subtle, unbelievable subtle, you know, phenomena.
You see, what what is bush? What is what is bush? Or how bush? What is bush? The the borderline bush exist, not exist.
Some you know, so subtle. Extremely fine. So subtle. Extremely subtle. So life doesn’t exist.
If you compare normal view, how bush abreast and how mind how mind really bush. Compare to that, that doesn’t it’s like doesn’t exist. When we when we think of the reality, when we think when it comes to point, what a bush is, Nothing other except me living by mind. So it’s like comparing it extremely subtle. Like, doesn’t like it’s not doesn’t exist, but it’s like doesn’t exist.
See? Existing mere name. The reason, even though it’s mere level of mind, why it what makes it to exist? Even though it’s mere level of mind, what makes it to exist? If there’s no other reason, only because there’s a valid base.
We see there’s no other reason. Even though it’s merely little bit a mind, what makes what makes what makes because there because there are other things because because there are other things, as I mentioned as I mentioned, you know, things what we objects or what we objects that we dream in the objects in the dream and what when our mind hallucinates, what we see in what we see in our view. You see, all those things. There are many things merely labeled by mind, but do not exist. But here, merely labeled by mind, same, but it exists.
What? Because there’s a what helps what what is it that makes this to exist is because there’s a valid base for that. So the the refuge is like existence of the label, refuge is the valid base, you know, after that. Yeah. That so that’s one that that’s one meditation to to analyze like that.
Then you see, you analyze analyze like that. How you then here then here now, how you see the bush. I’ve told you how you see the bush. And normally, how you see normally, when you don’t analyze, how does bush appear to you and how you believe. So that’s the false.
That’s that’s that is, you see, totally false one. False one. Totally nonexistent. So so here you right here, you see reality of the bush. And here, the the way the see, the way the way the push appear to you.
Let’s see. Two totally opposite. Two totally contradictory. How the past the reality and normally how the past when you when you don’t analyze when you don’t when you don’t analyze how the person believe. The appearance totally opposite to the reality.
So because it’s totally opposite, because because definition of the false definition of the false the definition of the false view, zumba. Jumba as a false Jumba. Jumba. Jumba. Nong Chul is the way the say, where things appear, where the object appear to you.
Nong Chul. Nong Chul is the way it exists in reality. So when these two are quantity, this not harmonized, not not harmonious, quantity free, then that means that means your perception, the object, the way it appear is false. It’s false. So yeah.
That so when we think I, you know, how the I appear, the, you know, independent, real real one appearing from there. So the false. But I meant I mentioned yesterday I mentioned yesterday, you know, if you look at market, if you look, you know, the street, you stand, you watch people. In shops, you see, you watch and how you see. Of course, you of course, we would know who is Buddha, who is not Buddha, but we can’t help.
But generally speaking, you see, everybody in the I’m the one you see. You see, hundred percent believing there’s I inside. There’s an I. Not not there’s I on the idea. But I mean, it’s there, but but even even very gross, you see, there’s I inside the body.
You know? This there’s a real iron inside this body. So everybody working for that. Everybody is busy working for that day and night, you see. So to make this to make this eye happy, it’s not there.
You know, inside the body, this eye happy happy, but it’s not there. You see? And also, if you look at the insects I don’t know about the millipedes. I’m I’m not sure about the millipedes. Millipiece or Millipiece.
Anyway, so even if you so you look at the animals. So so it’s the same. There’s a real eye inside the body, whether it’s a body that’s long or square, round, many legs. Anyway, inside the body, there’s a real eye. We’re not there.
So see, I kill others, each others, kill others. You know, look for happiness. Put this eye, breathe inside the body. So see. Then when the people are meeting, you know, when people are meeting, you see, Discussing doing discussions.
Get upset, somebody get happy, somebody get upset, you know, they’re believing that, you know, there’s a real eye inside this body. Don’t don’t you think it is shocking? This is don’t you think it’s not shortened. No? Just a little bit.
Send the people send the people who are writing all the waves All the webs, you know, they’ll Yeah. Yeah. The engine of the webs. The webs. What?
Yeah. But so yeah. This is the same, you know, with the belief that you rely inside the body. But if you look and you’ll find, it’s not there. So even a male level, what exists in male level one?
But if you cannot find even that, I can find the real life, the independent lives. Because so because of this because of because of this concept, that’s why you die, reborn, all age, sicknesses, you know, cancer, you know, all this because that but because of that belief, while it’s not there, believing that certain this ignorance. See, All those all those sufferings come from there. So that so as I mentioned before, everything is here. For us, everything what appears to us here.
So For example, when when we look at when we look at the light when we look at the light, you see, it doesn’t appear to us. Even though right now, our mind has a level of light by seeing by seeing that by seeing this phenomena this phenomena which dispels darkness. By seeing that, we take that function. Our mind just now labeled made of the label light. But but But just exactly I described the aim.
You know? Your mind here made up the label aim, but appeared but appeared there on their base. On their base. Appear but appeared on their as a appeared appeared from there. Appeared from appeared from there.
From that base, you see, from that base, you know, that by this is from that base, it appeared. From there, it appeared to you. You see? From there, on this base, you see? From there, appeared to Even though your mind just by seeing that this, you just you just made up the level m.
You see, Just just create a name like that. But but when you but the next second, by believing in that, the next second, it disappeared from there on the base from there. You see? A real one, not made left of the mind. You see that?
Same. But by seeing the by seeing the base by seeing the base with the transform the discipline darkness, our mind naturally is it our mind Those are familiarities. So make make of the label make of make of the label light make of the label light and make of the label white light. But then as one believe in that, the next I’m sorry. Sorry.
The next the next second the next second, light appeared from there. Light appeared from from above from above that base. From above that base, we just function we just function dispersion darkness. From that phenomena from above that from above that base, we just function dispersion darkness. So light appeared from there.
A real light, independent, appeared not merely a man. See? So that so that is the objectivity. So so that light is objectivity objectively. That’s false view, and that’s what we have to do.
So realizing that’s totally empty as the that realization empties the light. So that so so so any form so any observances, so like that, you know, right now, how might by by by experience about contacting the sense of contacting the object, the base. You know? Base. Then rather the second mind impute, make the label imputation, this and this and that.
The next second, it appeared from it appeared it appeared from the base. From there, from the base, you see, real one, not merely the mind. So so that’s how everything all the appearance they have or the view of view totally. Hallucination is false. So therefore so therefore, now you can see how everything empty.
So that now you can hear again, to remind. So therefore, you can see how everything empty of existing of existing from the inside, from its outside. You see? So this is this is what mindfulness will practice. Can we have a pee pee break, wouldn’t you?
Yes. Yes. Now it’s a p p break. So this is just p p. And means it’s just going to the bathroom and coming back if you need to.