Audio recorded at Buddha House Adelaide. Transcript auto-generated and AI-corrected; may contain errors.
About this talk. Working on a book about his own life rather than delivering a formal talk, Khensur Rinpoche spends most of this 92-minute session checking dates and recounting firsthand details of the Tibetan monastic exile. The heart of the conversation covers Buxa Duar camp in northern India, where around eight hundred monks from all four Tibetan traditions studied under Indian government provisions from 1959 to 1971, endured a severe TB epidemic, and carried on formal monastic education with no other occupation. Rinpoche traces his own path through these years: teaching at the camp school, completing a Kangyur (scriptural canon) transmission, and serving as disciplinarian of Sera Je monastery in South India. The session closes on the structure of the traditional Geshe curriculum — its thirteen formal classes and the preliminary collected-topics course.
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File: 55 RS 1991 07 19.mp3
UUID: 2790f0de-8d3d-4477-ad32-76f6fa93be56
Teacher: Khensur Rinpoche
Collection: Rinpoche's Story (Khensur Rinpoche)
Date: 1991-07-19
Recorded at: Buddha House Adelaide
Duration: 91.7 minutes
Words: ~5,418
Four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Yes, sir. Today is Friday, July twelfth. So the Mahāmudrā teaching. Yeah.
Tiramisu, I’ve got I’ve got that all here. I’ve got a whole lot of notes that I did and also the the full transcripts, but it’s sort of too it will need to be edited quite considerably. And I’ll be happy to sort of work on that and bring it down to about twenty or thirty pages. It’s about about sixty now. And you know how to fuse.
So yeah, you need it, all the details, just the essence of it. Whatever is worthwhile, just condense it down. Okay. That’s I’ll I’ll try. Mhmm.
You haven’t done that, have you, for anything? You don’t have you’ve never done it yourself, condensed it down? Weren’t written up her teaching? Mhmm. That’s alright.
I’ll just I’ll just use what I’ve got, then I could show it to you or something. Alright. So I’ll I’ll do a bit more of that. And then if I’ve got questions, is it okay if I just sort of ask Rinpoche as I go along with that? So just make it so it sounds they’re good.
Yeah. It sounds good. Yeah. Alright. The other thing we did talk about doing one time, I don’t know whether Rinpoche still wants to, is the is it the yak herding or the cow herding picture?
Why would you know, the one with the you know, Rinpoche gave a teaching on that once, and you translated it. You know, the the is it the ten the sequence of the the person chasing the cow with the tail and then getting on the cow and then, oh, you do. I’m not I know that. I know that. I know that picture.
I know that picture, but I don’t think it’s part of Tibetan tradition. Well, it done with an elephant? It is because Oh, then that has nothing to do with that. Think there was something in Geshe wrapped in the foot. Yeah.
The stages of developing single point of concentration. It has nothing to do with this Yakirin picture. Not the Yakirin, the the buffalo. It doesn’t? No.
It’s completely separate. Mhmm. So what’s the yak herding sequence all about? The buffalo. The buffalo.
I mean, the the elephant. Yeah. Yeah. That’s the development of calm abiding. The stages of developing calm abiding.
There’s nine stages. Don’t know which which one he wants to do. But Was not then the other one is not in the Tibetan tradition. The Yak Hoding one. I I I’m sorry.
I looked for the picture. I mean, I know Rinpoche has given the teaching here. On the with the must be the common parting teaching. He’s good. That I wasn’t at it.
And I wondered if you wanted to include that that picture with us. That picture? For the sequence. And with an explanation? Yeah.
It’s not necessary. We did talk once. They’ll give the and the sure that’s that’s okay. I don’t mind. I mean, it’s only if you want.
And It’s just a picture. Given the the teaching on the development of calm abiding, so it would be okay to have it. Controversy. The way to to cultivate calm abiding. Well, it’s a nice one that goes with the Mahāmudrā, doesn’t it?
So is he saying Mhmm. So, yeah, so the special insight and calm abiding have a connection, relationship. So would it be good? Especially in the great seal, talking to Mahāmudrā, is concerned special insight. So would oh, I’ve forgotten.
Is it who’s doing the transcribing of the tapes? I’ve just forgotten his name. Rob. Rob. Would Rob have done that one, do you think?
Or could I ask him to do one, perhaps? To to transcribe it. Yeah. Or would it be better if Rinpoche just gives another simple version just So the previous one would be sufficient. The one that he’s given.
Mhmm. So well, Rob offered to help with this as well. So perhaps if I ask him if you could transcribe that Mhmm. Wouldn’t wouldn’t be very many tapes with it? Not as long as the Mahāmudrā is.
I don’t remember. I don’t think it was very long. Oh, I had a feeling. No. Probably not more than four days.
Oh, it’s still quite low, isn’t it? But perhaps if I just ask raw. Would you be able to help me locate them? Would they be in the Yeah. Just the you don’t need all of the just the the essential.
Yeah. That’s all I really wanted. Yeah. Yeah. Just the essential part.
The essential parts would that would be that would make good reading and be useful. Yeah. Yeah. That’s all I had in mind, something sort of. Good.
Now I haven’t I haven’t done anything more about you know, we talked one day about getting dedications in the front of it. Should should we approach Shama Zopa Rinpoche, or was that what what do we decide on that, on this holiness? So you you were like you were thinking about approaching? Well, I thought it would be nice just to get some simple little one from his holiness, the Dalai Lama. And it’s gonna be And you suggested which is Was there anyone else?
He’s gonna appreciate thinking. I mean, we could also But he’s thinking about Give me a kiss of him what you told him. Give me a kiss of That would be. Who should approach? Can So whichever.
If you if you don’t do it, then he’ll do it. Oh, well, if Rinpoche doesn’t mind doing it, then, I mean, it’s a lot easier in Tibetan. Oh, that that’s great. That’s really good. And did he say yes or no about his holiness?
Can I remember, Jay? The only perhaps I’ll just explain that it seems like his holiness puts a little thing in in a lot of many books written by Tibetans, and I felt that it probably wouldn’t be too burdensome because he’s probably, you know, wouldn’t have to say very much. So maybe you could request him when he comes next to you. Maybe you could write about it. Yes.
Yes. I’d be quite happy and For me to write or to go to become Yeah. Yeah. I didn’t come to teaching last night because I went to some special reception in the town hall for writers and publishers and he was just talking about writing and publishing. Actually he was talking about copyright, which I don’t know if you want to explain that.
Few minutes, but it seems like all the Australian publishers are in a lot of trouble at the moment, you know, it’s not a good financial climate, so Nelsons, for instance, might have to leave Australia, they haven’t got enough money to publish, But I’ll talk with Sylvia, and we’ll see, you know, whether we can find an overseas publisher or some of the Australian publishers are still good. Just Mhmm. You know how much trouble we’ve been having with getting the exact things that Rinpoche has been studying and so on and so forth in in the monastery. Well, I think about a week at Goitenz and mentioned to me that there’s an Australian monk, Jamba Inji, who’s there. Mhmm.
Is it? You know him? Yeah. Right. So it might be a good idea just to write to him and see if send if I ask him whether he you know, when we started going through all the scriptures?
What were you gonna say? Write to and what? Write to him and see if he could just give the I mean, he must be studying all that stuff at the monastery. So maybe he could just give us the English versions of it or give give the names. Would that be a good idea?
I’ve got the text. Well, not just the text, but you know how we started going through all the details of what’s studied in each class? Mhmm. Yeah. Including the text.
I’ve got I’ve got more of it here. I’m not sure whether to go on with it today or anyway, guess just whether whether he Rinpoche thinks jump at is it? What’s it? Yeah. Yingen.
Yingen. Yingen? Yes. What do you think? I don’t think I need much help.
Don’t you? No. But you’re you’re quite welcome to. I think just more research is needed. Well, more researches.
I would I can give you a name. Yeah. Somebody you could write to. Okay. Great.
I don’t know his address though. Have to find out his address. Name here? He’s in Canada. Alright.
But well, I think yeah. See, I mean, it’s I mean, okay. Yeah. I’ve gotta do more work on this. I mean, there’s just so many bits of it to do work on.
If you if you look in some of these if you look in some of the other, the other autobiographies of and then the the listings of all the texts that they’ve studied, and it would be it would duplicate most almost all of these. Well, yeah, the the ones I’ve looked in don’t seem to be that comprehensive, but maybe maybe there are others. You you should decide what the problem is. I’m not sure. Right.
Uh-huh. I didn’t are you saying that they aren’t all here? Or they’re they’re I I guess I’m just still really confused about it all. Right. Well, then then you have to be make clear what your confusion is.
What you’re confused about? Well, see, on this level, I’ve just got things like six and seven sections are jump over training and momentary training, and then I’ve got Jampa to check the words. Guess I want the Tibetan words there. Yeah. That that’s that’s quite easy to get.
Right. Yeah. Right. So that’s basically the level that all these questions here are on. And what area would that come under?
Prajñāpāramitā. That comes under Parcha. Is it none of this is is it none of this in Deshizoka’s book? Deshizoka’s There’s too there’s too big. Tibetan culture.
Okay. I think probably biggest problem is up to is from on. I think probably class eight is where I I’m in. Yeah. Mhmm.
Alright. Alright. So if we just go back to the chronology for a little bit then, and I’ll I’ll I’ll just set that aside. We’ve got up to nineteen fifty nine. This is only the bones.
It’s not the details because I know I’ve clarified. But do you mind just going through just checking rough? So should be sixty. Sixty knots. Oh my god.
Yeah. Twenty. Oh, goody. Is this this wisdom days now? What’s Rinpoche looking up?
Exact when the Dalai Lama left. What what’s the book that he’s written? Fourth Tibetan. Yeah. Maybe we could double check the Tibetan if he if he’s got them.
Is it if I got that right too, the eighth day of the second Tibetan month and so on? That’s this would have to be the same as this. Yeah. Would, wouldn’t That’s the twelfth. Would that be is that right?
Well, he’s looking after he’s not sure whether this is in sixteenth or seventeenth. But it’s it’s definitely the eighth. Yeah. That’s right. The eighth day of second Tibetan month.
This is the chronology here. Okay. Double tick there. We’re still questioning sixteen. Yeah.
When it’s six sixteen from seventeen? Just tell me what your checks are. Yeah. So that’s probably right. Eleventh day of the fourth of the Rinpoche arrives at.
Yep. He walks in And what’s this here? I’ve got to check. They walk for five days to yeah. Maybe if you can check that one.
It is very hot many days. So it was by and by foot. And by road and by foot. By road. Does that mean I rode in trucks, do they?
And by foot. Yeah. They walked and they rode. In trucks or what? It no.
Mummy. Just truck. She’s trucked. Then Did many die? Is that correct?
Many, many times. So that’s that’s correct. Many many didn’t no. Many didn’t die. Oh, just a few.
Any? Few. Some. Then should day many monks of all four sex travel three days by trained boxer. Yeah.
So I need to know how they were in there for for a month. Was it just a month later? So this would be one month later. One month later. And then they went to Oh, crumbs.
No. This is the fourth Tibetan month. So what’s that gonna be in English March? May. Would it be May?
Which would make this June, wouldn’t it? Probably. Probably. But I have to check on the calendar what day it is to be sure. I won’t get a calendar going back to nineteen fifty one.
I mean No. What about this one? Actually, there were eight hundred monks including fifty nuns, but I just checked that one. Were at Boxer? Yeah.
Then many monks of all four sects traveled three days by train to Boxer to carry on the studies there. Bruxellate, drop a. Any? Sunju. So eight hundred monks and thirty nuns.
Oh. So eight hundred monks and thirty nuns. Any. So before? Yes.
Yeah. So you would have had about eight of each. Not many. Nineteen sixty five. Can the I just wanna check.
But the plan is for fifteen hundred? Yeah. Obviously, I’ve got that was from my notes that they plan to have fifteen hundred, but I wonder what happened to the rest of them. So the they had a plan they probably had a plan for fifteen hundred, but there weren’t fifteen hundred. There weren’t that many?
Mhmm. Does that mean they all died or just didn’t come out to Yeah. They would they would Mhmm. So that was all that this box was just designed for people who were going to carry on the studies. Mhmm.
And this was all there was. So the others would have done other things but not study? Not what many all that many were able to come and many did other types of work such as they began to set up businesses and they began some were just lazy. Various reasons, they didn’t come. So was Boxer the only place, and was that the only really, eight hundred was the only monks that really came out of Tibet in fifty nine and continued their monastic studies in in There Buxa?
Buxa. So they also they studied there’s another center of study was in Dalhousie. Oh, wow. Where is it? They had both the tantric colleges at Dalhousie.
Dalhousie is about three hundred kilometers from So that was at Baqsut. So all the six were represented at Baqsin. And Dalhousie was all all just the tantric? Dalhousie led the. Yes.
Yes. A different sects. All the sects were represented. In both places. Did they have the tantric ones also then at the or I mean, Mantric College at Boxer?
Initially, Initially, it was at Boxer, but then it it moved over to Dalhousie. Oh. So they all all the ones at Boxer stayed there apart from that until they moved to South India, did they? All the monks and all the colleges got reformed there. I can’t remember.
I think it was seventy till they move to South India? Yeah. Seventy one. I stay. Should we do this one next?
Mhmm. Okay. This So, Rinpoche, it’s it’s correct that Rinpoche stayed all this time from fifty nine to seventy one in boxer? So you didn’t go anywhere else or had any special things happen? So just for short trips to different to different places, revisit, but not not for long time?
Not Kalimpong, Darjeeling. Is it what you So it’s sort of pilgrimage trips, were they, or just holiday? Not pilgrimage. But the the others would have just been what? Delhi.
Delhi? Delhi. Delhi. Delhi. Delhi.
Dharmasala. Oh, okay. How did they travel? They didn’t have a car in Boxer? Were all the monasteries quite separate in Boxer, or were they all in?
Was on top of a mountain. Mhmm. And there was a at the bottom of foot of the mountain, was a railway a a railroad. And then about you could go by road up to by halfway up the mountain. And then the rest of the you had to go by foot.
Oh, have you been there? No. Were were all the monasteries separate there, or were they all together over the eight hundred monks? They were mixed together. Each Oh.
At that time, each of the monasteries had all different types of monks, Sakya and Nyingma. That’s what I wanted. They were all mixed together. Was that a very fruitful time for sort of discussing ideas? Did you see that?
Did a some said some some by themselves, others mixed together. There wasn’t anything but there wasn’t any work but the study of their philosophy. So it was a good very good period. That’s interesting. They didn’t they didn’t attempt to cultivate as they did in South India.
They just had to live on supplies or something like that when they’re a boxer, did they? Like, there was no All they had to do was eat. That was the only work they did. So that was all provided by someone in the world? Government.
Indian government? Mhmm. It’s supplied the food. Then Dalit. Rice.
It was all given by the yeah. All the dal rice. Right? Dal? Lentils?
Oh, dal. Lentils. Yeah. It’s in there. Dal.
Potatoes. Soap. The soap. They were all given by the Indian For the eleven years that they were there? To Tzogonga.
Yeah. That was really very generous, wasn’t it? Every day they would give make give supplies, provide. Every day? Good.
Good. Good time, wasn’t it? Yeah. I thought it was very hard because there was a lot of sickness that time. At first, it was very good food.
But then slowly, it became worse and less and less. And what was that? It was no. They weren’t as inclined to help as time went by. Well, if they were given food every day, was there a was there a government what would you call it?
A depot there at Boxer government? The Boxer. There there was a representative of the Tibetan of the Indian government at Boxer. Mhmm. What about medical treatment and Menkong Yoruba.
Menkong Yoruba. There was a hospital. Indian? Yeah. Indian.
Do they also have Tibetan doctors or do they just use At first, there wasn’t any Tibetan doctors. Weren’t any Tibetan doctors. Am I correct that that was a time, I just haven’t been working on this recently, that quite a few of them died? Traumas on there? Many people died.
TB. TB. TB. TB. Oh.
Many people had suffered from TB. Did they did they develop that in India? When was TB you already? Well, I’m not TB you already. They didn’t have it previously.
They didn’t. So in reference to Rinpoche’s lungs, you know, he’s got that scar on his lung. Was it that time that he may have had a little bit too? Did we know? He said no.
No. No. Sick. Did he did he ever have No. Just No.
No. Never had TB. But on on those X rays, there’s something. When he was a little child. Oh, really?
What? In in? That’s that’s what the doctor said was probable. He is not sure. Oh, when he was little.
Remember? Don’t remember. That’s what I remember. Did he have any illnesses when he was little? Not any bad ones.
There’s only two Nineteen seventy two. To to what? April nineteen seventy two. So you went Oh, you talked about that To the end of yeah. I’m sure you have.
Sorry. You you’ve got that too. Twenty four taught at Sera Je School. Sera Je School. This is after Kangyur was completed.
Mhmm. When does Rinpoche sign that? I said We’ll get it again. Nineteen seventy four, it was the Gegu. It’s kind of Sera Je Gegu.
Sera Je. He was a Gegu for two years. Alright. Well, can we just find out what happened after he after Kangyur finished? Did he come straight back to Sera then?
The Kangyur. So transmission was finished, he quickly came back to Sera, and then soon after that, he became the Gegu Right. Of Sera Je. Well, I’ve got end of seventy two, so should it be nineteen seventy three, perhaps? Yeah.
He just said did you say seventy three, didn’t you? I’ve got seventy four, so that’s why it can’t. Can I think we’ve changed this to seventy three, haven’t we? We’ve got is this wrong from seventy two? I’ve got seventy three in here.
Okay. About the the seventh month of the of nineteen seventy two? Mhmm. Yeah. That’s what I originally had.
Is that when he becomes a gegu or when he finishes his kung kung That’s when he started the Kangyur. Oh, when he started. So it began probably in July of nineteen seventy two? So maybe he might have finished in May of seventy three. So and approximately, he probably finished around May of seventy three.
Mhmm. And then he became the the the gegu Mhmm. In April of seventy four. Oh. April seventy four.
They started he was at Gegu and also at the same time became the teacher at Sera Je. Cook School. And teacher at the school. Is this some sort of installation service or whatever when he becomes the ceremony to the also, the the Dalai Lama has to be notified as to who the new Gegu is and approved of. And Right.
Then there’s there’s some some some ceremony involved. So previously it was usually the tradition that the abbot would appoint the gegu, but this had been followed up to Rinpoche. And then because many people were busy and working in the fields, etcetera, that the Dalai Lama was asked to appoint the Gegu. And so he appointed Rinpoche as the Gegu. But then after that, during about for about a period of two or three years the Dalai Lama appointed the Gegu’s, but after that they reverted back to the old tradition where the abbot appointed the Gegu.
So it was just a strange quirk that he was appointed by the the Dalai Lama. And and also at the boxer, Rinpoche was the was a school teacher. Oh, he taught in the school of boxer. Mhmm. So there were quite a few young monks coming, wasn’t it?
The the older monk. Oh, taught in school at Oksut. Yeah. Older monk. Four.
He he taught all the various monks from all the different Sera, Ganden, Drepung. Gelug monks. So these were monks that had come out of Tibet that weren’t new ones? The There weren’t any weren’t any new monks in in Buxa. There weren’t.
So when when did actually there start being new young monks coming in? Not till Sera in South India? Not until they moved down to Mysore. Do they have new monks? And then having moved down to Mysore, then they established this school to attract young monks, and then then they had the school, and then that’s why Rinpoche became a teacher at the school.
So that was the motive for having the school was to be able Yes. So this is like Tenzin’s case where in the south they had many settlements and they had the general population of Tibetans, and of course obviously there would be young children, and then so they went that’s when they reestablished the monasteries in the south, that’s when they began to attract new monks. So was, say, Tenzin’s group, was that sort of was that was he one of the first the new monks? Tenzin. Tenzin.
One of the first. Because he didn’t actually go to a school in the beginning, did he? Wow. Tenzin came in before school actually started. Yeah.
Became a month before the school actually started. So there were sixty or seventy students when remember Che was a teacher at the When it started? At the beginning of the school, there were seventy students. So some of those have been here there quite a while before they actually had their education? I would have been there a year before the school actually started.
Yeah. That’s not long. And but there were none at boxer. No young. The boxer The settlement.
And how many at the school today? Two hundred and twenty. It it won’t get much bigger. Maybe just a few. It’ll pretty just the same.
You mind if we stop there? Nineteen seventy eight. Okay. Three. Okay.
I hear you. Oh, I’ve got seventy nine. He hasn’t no. Go through the times about, you know, we went through the different times about when you study different sections of and also have to do that with Uma. Yeah.
I know. Yeah. We do. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, next time, maybe we’ll go back to that because I I was getting so tell room show getting so confused with all of that. Fantastic. But, yeah, we do. Good tongue. Think that’s what we really got up to here, what I was sort of muddling around with today.
So I’ll try and do a bit more work on that over the weekend. Alright. And we’ll go through Pachen. Yeah. Yeah.
Good. Thank you. Testing. One, two, three. Today is the fifteenth of July nineteen ninety one, and I’m going to talk with Rinpoche about the classes from class from Pachen or maybe Shunsarpa.
I knew the fifteenth of July. So this is referred to as the? Which ones are so I can’t get this to work. I’ve just stopped on the to do it on the battery. It’s going.
Oh, so this is called the the nineteen eight nineteen fifty seven, it’s called Zu Sarpa. Zu Sarpa. Zu Sarpa. Zu start off with, Rinpoche said that we just caught zu and that the second year was Karam. But then I got confused because it didn’t seem to add up with the time, and I wondered if it was in fact three years.
So nineteen fifty seven, it would be Zasarfa. Mhmm. Nineteen fifty eight is Zunimba. Mhmm. Nineteen fifty nine is Karam.
Wow. The. Now how does that relate to here? That would relate to we’ve just called those whole three as one. So it it would class those as class thirteen.
Class thirteen. That’s and. No. No. It has nothing to do with.
Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. Those are all.
The whole three. So it take took three years altogether. The the the the. So the is two years, but and the is not part of the. It’s not.
No. So in Karam class, they they study both and. Is is Abhidharma, isn’t it? Yes. So Karam isn’t not?
No. Well, we did go through it before, and we put it all under this this one thirty. And does that mean I’ve gotta change the class numbers now and make it fifteen classes because we’ve also got a class? Wait. Wait.
Let me have this. Oh, we’ll have a look back at this one. This is the the full list. This is just Rinpoche’s years that he The the karam’s in the. So so so so.
So there’s individual classes, the Abhidharma and Karam. In the Karam class, they study both and naya. See, this is how this is how originally it was was told to be Abhidhamma including karam. So now Rinpoche thinks it’s better to have it as a separate class. So that’ll make the way we’re doing it now, that will make fifteen classes in the whole Geshe thing because we’ve got Lanama as one class.
Is that is that what he wants? That’s what he just said. The karam is not a part of the zoo class. Okay. Do you just wanna check with him?
Because, originally, we started off having thirteen classes, and then we built out class and as two different classes. So now if we make Karam, we’ll have to have a list on our list, we’ll have fifteen? So these ones, we had as one, but then we’ve made it two because it was confusing. Is that what he’s saying? Yes.
So so sometimes the the are are one class. Sometimes are one class Oh. Are combined. Oh. So so that would make it thirteen class.
So some sorry. Sometimes and are combined. Mhmm. And so and. Mhmm.
Then Rinpoche also said that there’s an overlap between and Do they alternate them? I’m pretty sure that he said that. Can you just check that? So he doesn’t so there’s thirteen if you don’t count the duja classes? You don’t count the duja classes?
Oh. The three this, we don’t count. We don’t count. I see. Okay.
Well, I only make twelve if we don’t count those. We get go through it? I’m sorry. Well I don’t care how we do it. It’s just gotta be consistent.
Eight, nine. And we’re making this one three. Ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen. Yeah. You only make it thirteen too, don’t you?
That’s thirteen without the duduza class. Because the zu is two years. There’s nipa, ningba and sarpa zu. Hang on. Can we just go through?
Say, this becomes one. Sapha will become one. Right? Mhmm. Shul nipa two.
Three. Four. Five. Uh-huh. Does become five and six?
No. Five. Six. Mhmm. Seven.
Eight. Nine. Ten. Eleven. Karm Karm Karm twelve.
Faram thirteen. So what do we call the dudras then? Why are they called introductory? It’s called beginning. This is the way that one studies to become a Geshe, and this is referred to as thirteen classes.
So you can put the dudu classes can be put into this course of study, but they are not itemized as far as one of those thirteen classes. I see. That’s alright. That’s fine as long as we’re clear. I was never had that that before.
So Namdral. Wow. It’s a burning. Could smell something. I don’t know why it’s burning.
I just disconnected up there because I thought but then I I could feel the heat in this. It’s that that’s burning. Gosh. Maybe I could it’s doubled. So okay.
It’s okay. I just have to think up something to call. I might just call them beginning classes, shall I? Mhmm. Is that alright with him, Prasher?
Because due Yeah. That’s the beginner’s class. Okay. And that usually takes about two years, does it? There’s no it’s not definite, but sometimes it takes around three years.
It’s just that Rinpoche said he when he did it, it was he took eighty forty five and forty six. Can I do the joint to the So he went through very quick on duties? In two years. Oh, so back to two years. Forty five forty five and forty six.
So he was he was a very quick year, I think, was it? I mean, he did two interns. On on Joel Johnson. He went very fast. Just first and second, he did in one year.
Yeah. Yeah. And would that usually take two years? So, yeah, generally, it would take two years, but it was it was satisfactory to do it one year. Oh, that’s alright.
I’m just all I just need to do is to find out because nothing it doesn’t nothing adds up. Is is this Duchum Mhmm. Is that the same is there any relation between these texts and these names? These three names and these three texts? Okay.
Okay. And what about oh, sorry. I’ve got it wrong. Okay. What what about this well, that do just just everything that they do in the first two, isn’t it?
Dudra is the overall name for adults. The whole? For Dudra. Dudra, Chumwet, Dingwet, and Temple. So it’s really this whole three is Dudra collected topics, isn’t it?
Okay. So that’s really not a relevant term to be there then, is it? A list Collected topic. That’s what didra means, Collected topic. But it’s a more general term.
I mean, it it it includes logic and topic? The collective topics, the great.