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About this talk. In this 94-minute session recorded in December 1988, Khensur Rinpoche gives a rare firsthand account of fleeing Tibet after the bombardment of Lhasa in March 1959. Beginning with photographs from his inauguration as Abbot, the conversation turns to vivid testimony: he was circumambulating the Jokhang temple on the tenth when the shelling began, watched fire and smoke over the city from his rooftop at Sera Monastery that night, then fled the following evening with fifteen students who grew to thirty as others joined. He describes consulting divination to choose an escape route, a Pemba village family who donated two donkeys and provisions, five armed monks scouting ahead for Chinese patrols, and a journey of roughly six weeks through mountain passes to Arunachal Pradesh in India. An oral history rather than a doctrinal talk, of particular interest to those drawn to twentieth-century Tibetan history.
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File: 11 RS 1988 12 15.mp3
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Teacher: Khensur Rinpoche
Collection: Rinpoche's Story (Khensur Rinpoche)
Date: 1988-12-15
Recorded at: Buddha House Adelaide
Duration: 94.5 minutes
Words: ~4,871
This is Thursday, the fifteenth, I think it is, of December, and I’m down at Port Elliot talking with Khensur Rinpoche and Boucher. And we’re looking at the photos, the twelve photos of him. He had five of them printed of his inauguration as Abbot. So this one this one’s a Dharmasala at Namgyal Monastery. Yeah.
Monastery. Yeah. Tashi Choeling Temple. Tashi Choeling Monastery. Tashi Choeling Gompa.
Tashi Tashi means Mahāyāna. Choeling means, uh-huh, Dharma island. It seems like I don’t know. That’s the island. Yeah.
Yeah. Mhmm. He’s a sponsor for Sūtra. Mhmm. What is Sūtra teaching?
He first request Yeah. His first request in his holiness and holiness order to. This is sponsor. Just difficult. There one one Khensur It’s Tantra Monastery we want to sūtra empowerment.
Then he sent to he live in Switzerland. Switzerland. Yeah. France. France.
France. Yeah. He live first. Oh. Then he sent to this money to his holiness.
His holiness. Dalai Lama. Yeah. Then just his Holiness his Holiness, they’re not he’s very busy. They don’t time.
Then just few years ago. Then his first, Kensung Nawa, he died. Then after he’s he’s his student for Khensur. Oh, I see. His Rinpoche.
Oh, I see. His holiness order to after his holiness his holiness order to Rinpoche, he come to Dharmasala and give sūtra empowerment empowerment in his. The sponsor is is. Yeah. And then after, first, they sent money is, but he died.
Yeah. Then he So his student, is it? Yeah. Student. Yeah.
Then? And this Oh, this help some seems seems like me. I help some. So as a helper? Yeah.
What are you doing in that photo? Do know who that is at all? Mandala. Mandala. Mandala.
Mandala. Mandala. Mandala. Alright. Mhmm.
Dorje Sempa. You know? Then? Good. Yeah.
That’s right. Yeah. That’s right. And this one? This Yes.
The term, the the empowerment, the giving. So they must have had a photographer there with a flashlight to take these photos. Right. They must have had a photographer with a flashlight and everything It is the Tibetan, they first we request first, you give one teachings. And then first, the this different tradition.
Two times. After finish, one times. First, they give you first, the one offering. Then after finish one, I think this first. This is the first time?
First time. This long life for Rinpoche is This one? Yeah. Uh-huh. One?
Uh-huh. The the Mhmm. So this one really is before that one. They’re out of the world. Yeah.
This first. This after. The old teaching finish. Yeah. Then they what?
Long life. Seems like long life. Long life. This one. This one.
This one’s a long life. Mhmm. It’s a one head. And this you read? This one?
This giving time. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And this first, this second, then.
And that can tell you. The long life time. This ten that ten is offering. This one? Yeah.
I think it’s it is first. Right. So we changed them around. Yeah. Yeah.
It is first. Yeah. Then it’s that between. Right. Then second, third, is finish this one.
Which is second? Second one, this one. Yes. Sorry. Yeah.
Yeah. Then finish the puja. Yeah. Then this and this same. Uh-huh.
Yeah. This one, this offering mandala, this offering talk. Oh, right. Oh, sorry. Sorry.
Sorry. Sorry. Which first? First, this one. Second, this one.
Mhmm. Then third, this one. Oh. So this one. Okay.
This I think bodhicitta offering. Oh, that’s better. Thank you. That was the one for the the one in front. Oh, no.
No. That one? Yeah. Good. Please start.
Yeah. Then after finish, that one. Mhmm. Then end this one time. This end this bodhicitta mind of generation.
bodhicitta. Generation. Generation. bodhicitta. Yeah.
Generation of the mind of enlightenment. That’s yeah. Synergy words It doesn’t make sense. Offering for That that’s some some people bring the every people bring the mind of generation enlightenment offering something. Mhmm.
They bring it we give, I think, to Sita. Mhmm. I don’t know. Then the future. I am.
You know? I am. This sounds great. Think so. We dedicate for to sit down in this main generation enlightenment, offering this we dedicate for to sita Mhmm.
Then what we thinking? Our future. In the future future. Buddha Maitreya. Oh, Maitreya.
Buddha who will every after the Yeah. Truth. Is that what you’re looking for? Children to experience So Buddha. Much value.
Yeah. Maitreya. Buddha. Maitreya. Is her the offerings.
Uh-huh. We’re this bodhicitta mind of generation enlightenment of offering. Something flower and incense. We we offering for in Buddhism. Alright.
I understand. Not right now. We dedicate. Oh, the mandala. No no dedicate prior in this come future.
Then future will listen for for him. Future, he giving for teach ours us. I think so. Yeah. Yeah.
I understand that. What we pray, his that him sūtra student and also Indian being. And future Okay. Because of Okay. Maitreya Buddha.
What time? He came to future. He came future, he came to he come to in in in Bodh Gaya, what? In Bodh Gaya. Ah.
Then that time, we regeneration? I don’t know. We Generate. We grow that term. Uh-huh.
That term, we grow in his teaching. Alright. Oh, let’s say. Yeah. No.
That’s it. I can understand it. Okay. And now we’re have some lunch. Yeah.
They said he was eleven years in Buxaduar, and when they first came out, they had no monks robes. They wore chubas. And when they debated, had to take their arms out of the sleeves. Both. Just one arm.
Two. Both. A long sleep. Long. But we put this one.
Yes. Then this one? Yeah. Here? Uh-huh.
Yes. And this. Right. And the sleep hangs down. Yeah.
So to get to leave Lhasa, they had to wear chubas so they could ride out more easily. Has right, wearing two chubas. Then just mustard. Then kishi kishi big mustard. Those put in on the dress, mount dress.
Oh. Why was that? I don’t understand what why? Why? Why did they only have Karchum.
It’s if we’re going to most suggest, then difficult to walk, to long walk. Then monks’ dress also write. Right? Mhmm. Then if some then Chinese Chinese Chinese looking is very Yeah.
Yeah. Almost. What? I don’t know. Very Yeah.
That’s what I thought. But but only the only the the top monks would wear. Some some nuns would wear still the robes. Yeah. The senior ones.
The the senior monks Uh-huh. Would still wear their robes? It’s just some. Yeah. Just.
Only their master and just old. Old ones. Yeah. Do they have any any animals, or do they walking on foot? Yeah.
Was he riding? No. When they left Lhasa Some young young young monks. There’s some very horse. Oh.
Not much. Khampa Khampa fighters. It’s fighting to Chinese, they call. They were fighting? Yeah.
Yeah. Those people call we fight for Chinese. We’re fighting for the Chinese? Yeah. What’s a trick to And this horse bringing those people.
So seems like hero. Oh, this is some of the Khampa fighters. Yeah. For ah. Not monks?
Yeah. Those monks? They were monks? Yeah. Oh.
They had rifles? The Oh. Did Rinpoche travel together with with with them? He’s with his student, thirteen people. They have guns.
The head? Yeah. The head gone. Can we push your head with gone? No.
The head. Oh. But the students? Yes. Students.
In last night, you know, totally under the their one house, they have they have many guns. And then set ceremonies go in plaza. They they bring gun. Uh-huh. Then yeah.
Yeah. Many monks dream, you know, dream, guns. Mhmm. Is this at the time when his holiness was in the? Mhmm.
At that time, March nineteen fifty nine. March seventh, he lived in Norbulingka. Then eighth night, he moved in India. Is this his holiness or Rinpoche? His holiness.
On the eighth? Yeah. So when did he yeah. He so when did Rinpoche go? Rinpoche?
Yeah. It’s good. It’s a fast it’s you know, choka? Choka. Choka.
He’s what? When we go this Jokhang prayer, he want go in Lhasa in tenth. Oh. March tenth. Yeah.
He’s prayer in Jokhang. Then this What was March tenth? Was that or not? It’s just a special day? No.
Not yeah. Not very good. Oh. Oh. But he wanted to Yeah.
Yeah. He’s been one of Muslims. Three people, he’s in in. He’s in New Zealand now. And other one is student.
Still go to in Lhasa. They pray and show and every in Lhasa. Then this evening, This evening in midnight in Chinese. Hello? Tuck?
Yeah. Guns and. Edelbum. Edelbum. This tenth tenth evening, they start.
They start? Yeah. And his holiness went on the eighth. Yeah. They didn’t know.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Rinpoche had made that circumambulation. He’d made he’d been around the Jokhang Yeah.
Circumambulate on the on the day, and then the Chinese started in the night. Yeah. So what did he do then? What did they do? Yeah.
Every he sleep. Mhmm. There are many sound. The noise? Yeah.
Noise. The Yeah. Guns. The guns. And the Yeah.
Bomb. Bomb. Yeah. Bomb too. Yeah.
Then he’s woke up. So working? Yeah. He’s wake up in his top, his room’s top. This is at Sera?
Yes. He goes back there? Yeah. Right. He’s right.
Right. He’s He’s right. Yeah. Yeah. In the evening, there’s so many The noises.
Yeah. Noises. Yeah. And so he disturbed. Yeah.
And then gun. And he’s look in his room’s top. He’s at the top. He’s up. So he can look.
Yeah. He can look. Over Lhasa. Yeah. And then there are many fire and this gun.
This what? What? Bomb. Bomb. Yeah.
Smoke and Yes. Smoke and Light. Light. Yeah. Then this night, then tomorrow, they wake up.
Every monk go up to in Lhasa, they bring down the gun. He came from three o’clock, and he come he reached into. Sorry, three o’clock in the morning? No, no. In evening.
In no, in afternoon. He came into Lhasa on the eleventh? No, no. Those monks go to in Lhasa. They bring a gun.
Yeah. Then three o’clock, those come to in Sera. Oh, they’ve they had to retreat Yeah. From the Chinese? No.
Oh, they got the gun, and then they came back to Sera? Yeah. Oh, so yeah. Yeah. Those people came back in Sera.
Then Chinese made incendiary bomb Why this they see those people gun fire in. And Chinese many bomb to. There are many people that died that day. Many explode in house. His house roommate his roommate too, roommate’s room we have smoke, what they call it?
I don’t know. Smoke bomb. We have kitchen. Yeah. There are stove.
Yeah. And then smoke one wall. Smoke in outside. Yeah. Big factory, there are many pipe.
Pipe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Small pipe.
Yeah. So the the smoke was going up the In the outside. Chimney, maybe, to the outside. Yeah. They have no, see, in country, and they have small pipe.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just a small pipe. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Then We talked about that. Yeah. They have which is they have one small part. This room which is room.
Then one outlet for small part in outside. Mhmm. There are many small, So the Chinese hit that smoke pipe? No. Chinese, they’re mainly heat bomb, then room there over there, one small pipe.
One bomb for here. Mhmm. Then this what? This just Broke. Yeah.
Broke. Then many Not not not bomb. From the smoke? Not not not bomb guest. It’s smoke.
Oh, just as the cooking smoke? Yeah. Cooking smoke. Came back down, and he got dizzy Yeah. I think this bone smelled, baby.
It must be. Let me get Did that kill him? Scissors. Is he sick? Mini scissors.
She must. Not that. She must. Just Just looking at couldn’t see. Yeah.
Yeah. It’s just what sometimes, catch that we we go on Halloween. Dizzy. One child, one children monk Mhmm. Just go in under the monks.
He’s tool to build his top and one his chair monks. He’s going under the bed. Yeah. To hide. Yeah.
Then some people go to him other way. Go away? Yeah. Escape? Escape.
Where did they go? Kham. He’s go outside and somewhere. It’s a long way to get there, though. Must be very hard.
Student, many. Thus, the they come to room room room They come to room room room. We not live here. We go in the home where anywhere we go. Oh, I see.
Students urged him to leave Yeah. To go away. Student also come to room, which is room. Yeah. Then we don’t live here.
We go in outside. Every people’s going in outside. Outside Tibet? Yeah. Yeah.
In where? In outside Tibet. Yeah. So at that time, they were destroying Sera. They would at that time, the Chinese were destroying Sera Jeay, that whole monastery.
Did they go to settle the Bomje is closer. Yeah. Sera, why the people go to in Lhasa? They bring gun. Then Chinese seen those people.
Then it’s fast as set up. So they must have got those guns from India. Before England. So they’re old guns? Yeah.
Very old? Very old guns. Oh, too old. Yeah. So they wouldn’t have they wouldn’t have bullets?
Do they have ammunition, no need some new list. No good. No. It’s all gone. So Before we before the Tibetan government buy to England Yeah.
People. Many years before. Yeah. Many years before. Perhaps with His Holiness the thirteenth Dalai Lama’s time.
So did they have could they fire them? Did they have a bullet? Wasn’t much good. Not good. In Chinese, they have many, I think, wood.
Many? Chinese have what is Machine gun? Machine gun. Oh, it was a big Yeah. Big.
Yeah. There were only one. Karchum. One old rifle. Yeah.
Karchum. It wasn’t a very fair fight. So how did Rinpoche leave? He went with his students. The student And then said, now we don’t go.
Just let her. Now no people going outside. We we don’t go fast. Then Rinpoche said, I go to India. Protector?
Go to? No. No. If Mo. Certainly.
You know Mo? Mo. Yeah. So protector. Protector.
Indian. No. So but he said not to go straight away. Rinpoche consulted. Why did he decide he wanted to stay a little longer?
He decide to he he go to in temple, then there you know, Lord? Mhmm. Buddha? Mhmm. Many Buddha different.
Some Buddhas protect the Buddha. Oh, this is in Joe. In Joe? It seems like Jokhang, not Joe. Other other other Buddha.
Protect the Buddha. And whereabouts was that? It’s Sera. Yeah. His comes in.
Teu kamshan. Teu kamshan? Yeah. Uh-huh. And this Buddhist.
So Rinpoche thought that might bring the he might bring the protection. Protection, then karmasha. Karmasha. Karmasha. Yeah.
Then he got there. Then we want go to go and not go. He’s look for more. He’s he found. His front?
Yeah, His front protection front. We just go to this protection blood. What? He said, we what we do in go and not go. Right.
Yeah. And what was he using for that? Mhmm. This mo. Yeah.
It’s a divination mo. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And so what what do you say?
And they they called you want to go. We won’t go. You won’t go. You should go. You should go.
Oh, we want you to go. One mountain. Rinpoche said, where we go in this we go only this mountain hill and in over we go over this mountain. Go a long way. Yeah.
We against his Yeah. He’s asking more. First is, you go. We go and not go. You go.
Yeah. Then after second is, the how this one mountain, if we go in this mountain, then he call Rinpoche said, we go to this mountain and over mountain. And then one more. It’s over mountain. You go over mountain.
Then Eleven. Uh-huh. Eleventh evening. Yeah. So how many students?
He said thirteen. That time, only fifteen people. Fifteen? Yeah. That’s a big enough number to go.
Yeah. Yeah. Other peoples come with They joined Yeah. Later. Yeah.
Wow. School in evening, we go go go then this mountain, then twelve. Tomorrow, it’s dawn. Yes. Yes.
Then he go down this mountain, then they they are one country country. And then Chinese see in Rinpoche, and they are monks. They see. Then they go airplane. Airplane.
Chinese spot them. Yeah. Chinese looking where going to people. Thank you. Then he to this country.
Yeah. This evening, he lived in this country. There are many only one line broad room. Only? One line broad.
Broad? B r Broad. Broad. Land and broad. Land.
Land Yeah. In? In the this there are many house. They land house and many eating. Are they walking all this time?
Walking or flying? They’re walking. They’re walking. Yeah. And they Which is I go to walking also twelfth night, where did they come to?
They’re still in The one mountain Yeah. Is he this in, he move in Sera, then he go in this mountain, then twelfth dawn. Yeah. In sunshine. Then he go down.
The other side. Yeah. Dawn. There one country. Country, you know?
Yeah. Rural. No. Countryside. Country means village.
Oh, village. Yeah. Village. Not saying? No.
No. Country’s too general. A village in the countryside. Yeah. He’s lived in this village.
Yeah. There’s one village. Right. In the whole lot. So he’s in the country?
There’s village there are many people. Yeah. Which is he’s they call one night borrow some house. Uh-huh. They borrow a house?
Yeah. Oh, they still they gave them the use of the house. Yeah. Yeah. I see.
Borrow. Borrow. Borrow. Yes. Mhmm.
Yeah. Okay. They haven’t some some months, they haven’t in shoes, and we make teapot tea what is teapot? Yeah. And they haven’t anything.
They didn’t have teapot either? Teapot and shoes. Should they haven’t shoes. So you use They didn’t have. So you use the teapot to make shoes?
No. No? What this called? This. Yeah.
Saucepan. Saucepan? Cooking Cooking pot. Cooking pot. Cooking pot.
Yeah. So they had no cooking pot and no shoes? They have in the cooking pot, any have in the shoes. He lived there two, three days. Was that what was that village called?
Samchi? What was the name of that village? Do you know? So you can say something. Oh, yeah.
And they haven’t any shoes and some have and they haven’t any food. Then he the the two two days, they live in this Pemba, Pemba village. Mhmm. Then those monk try and food and tsampa. And then some some people, they had shoes, then shoes dry.
Then the the village people will help for So that’ll give them shoes and shoes. Yeah. People go to Tibet, go out Tibet, these three ways. One way is here, one way is here, one way is here. Some people go to this way.
Some people go to this way. More people go to this way. Then he’s come to here. Oh, crossroad. Crossroad.
So Pemba’s at that crossroad Yeah. Between the three routes. Yeah. Then which one is good is more than protection. Yeah.
Then this one is good. Which way did his holiness go? Did he come this way, to Pemba? Yeah. Which is the Pemba Peninsula.
No. He’s to Lhasa. Right. Right. Yeah.
Okay. So he had to ask the Mo which way Many people go in this way. Do you know which way they went? Ways were those ways? Where did they lead to?
If this way is going to find this Mount Kailash mountain? Yeah. Oh, to the west. Yeah. Kailash.
Yeah. Kailash. Western way. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. And central way. If we want to go to this way, Nevermind. So it was the eastern way, Rinpoche. The mo said to go on the eastern.
Not not Kailash, not that one, but this one. Yeah. This one. Yeah. So that yeah.
I can’t see. So which way did Rinpoche go then? If this way is north, in North Tibet. Yeah. If one go three way.
Yeah. One way is here, way is here. This one, if we want to go this way, then we find Kailash. If we want to go this way, north Tibet. Oh, north?
Yeah. Oh. Not good. So you wouldn’t go there? Yeah.
Oh, I see. Yeah. And this way? East. East.
Yeah. Then this way, you go to fast from Ganden. Ganden. Oh. Then Floka Floka.
Floka. I think that’s the So it’s not on this little silly map. Never mind. No. It’s not.
Anyway, go on. I’ll I’ll look on another map sometime. This map’s not too good. Gave? Yeah.
New law. Made it by the tsampa. Oh, so he had some money? Yeah. The old people bring tsampa.
I mean, they join Rinpoche’s party, the old people. Are who dress. Is it? Yeah. Then all joined thirteen people.
Thirteen. Thirteen or thirty? Thirty. Thirty. Oh, so doubled.
Yeah, doubled. Yeah. This cross, there are many I think first people go to the temple, this cross. Yes, Crossroads. Yeah.
There are many gents. And these old people, were they lay people or were they Sangha? Were they monks? They were monks. They were monks too.
Sera? Sera. Tamba. Then also we people, tighten people. We give just sense sense.
Then some somewhere here is what to do for spring this. Then this village, there is one room. They said, Oh, we have two donkey. Two donkey? Yeah.
You take donkey. Donkey? Yeah, donkey. Small, but it’s they called this room manager. They called it’s small, but it is it is very strong.
It’s sturdy. It yes. It’s Then this housekeeper, they give many pot cooking pot, and they give many, what, jug. Sent a big spoon. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. They give Ladles. They all put donkey Yeah. This tsampa, then this pork cooking. Yeah.
They all put the donkey two donkey. And everyone was walking? Oh. They’re also walking. He’s walking, but also he’s he’s a student.
They’re walking. They’re all walking? Yeah. In design, we want to go a long way, then we we we want much tsampa. Then if we not tsampa, then we not eating, then we don’t go.
It’s hello. We don’t go to the far. You couldn’t go far without food. We didn’t go. So so they have to have the donkey and the tsampa.
Yeah. People. Yeah. They have five people is gun. Yeah.
Then what what they walking ten, two peoples go to fast, they have guns. Go in front? Yeah. Go in front. Yeah.
Three people’s up front. Yeah. Between Rinpoche and the other students. And do they have horses, those five? They did they’re walking.
Yeah. They’re walking. I thought Rinpoche said they had horses. No. These other other people.
Oh. Oh, different ones. Yeah. And these five, they were monks too? Yeah.
Sera. Yeah. Is it Minga the Tawares? Mhmm. They were his students?
Or Gangaro Girindas. Oh. His students. That was the Those thirteen people, they have only Tibetan money. Oh.
This is a thangka. thangka kabo. thangka? Yeah. White Yeah.
They have. Have Silvers. Yeah. Silver. They have sixty and seventy.
Of them? Yeah. This old people. They’re all total. These thirteen people, they’re all total sixty tanga.
Yeah. Silver one. Yeah. Silver Yes. Silver one?
Yeah. This gift for is housekeeper Pemba housekeeper. Oh. They they give donkey two They give sixty tanga. Is that Is much?
Is that a lot of money or little? The amount, I don’t understand. It’s very little. I see. So very little.
So that really the Pemba people were giving from their heart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And expensive donkey for Lhasa.
You say expensive donkey. Yeah. For Lhasa. Yeah. They are very useful.
Yeah. So that was very, very kind. Yeah. Very kind. And how long did they travel?
Not sure. Maybe probably one month, half, one month. Lose track of the day, isn’t it? Yeah. Sometimes go and travel at night every time.
But not not stopping at night or sometimes stopping the day? Yes. Sometimes. So that these men with the guns, do they look around a little bit to see the if there were Chinese, then they go ahead a bit? Yeah.
So if they saw any Chinese, then the party will try and hide, try and stop so as not to run into the Chinese. There were Chinese around? There’s five people. Rinpoche’s party, were there many Chinese in the areas where they travel? Some people met, other people.
Some people met. Then they hear Chinese. They hear Chinese. Not seen. Just reports.
Just reports. Yeah. Yeah. If you first fighting for then they get Lhasa, Chinese. Then after people going outside, looking in Chinese.
So then they look for the people that were fleeing. Yeah. They must have been looking for his holiness at that time. Yeah. Did Rinpoche did they have any news of where his holiness was at that time?
Did Rinpoche know what had happened to his holiness then? He smoked he’s already smoke eight, every, much. Then one big river just go out river over. So Tsangpo? Zangbo.
Zangbo, yeah. But did did they know did they have any news at that time of where his holiness was? Did Rinpoche’s party know? He must be worried. You can’t.
I must learn to better. Try a little bit. What’s he saying? He’s worried for his holiness. They know first, they know They don’t know anything?
No. No. Rinpoche worry for his holiness. Then he Rinpoche is thinking his holiness live in Lhasa. Then eleventh tenth evening, there are many bomb.
Then we’re missing her other people. His holiness lived, and he’s very happy. And then yeah. He’s happy. Yeah.
So he before Rinpoche left, he knew he thought His Holiness had gone. He knew then. Which day did he hear about His Holiness going? On the eleventh? On the tenth.
On the tenth. And he left on the eleventh himself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I see. I see. So he did know. Yeah. Yeah.
So he wasn’t so worried. Yeah. Did he know which way Uh-huh. His holiness had gone? Which way?
Yeah. This Tsangpo. Yeah. But did did Rinpoche know at this time? Yeah.
He did? No. He left in Arunachal Pradesh in India. Mhmm. They this Tibetan month.
I don’t know. Tibetan month. Tibetan month, first. First Tibetan month? No.
No. Tibetan month, fourth. Fourth? Every. Oh, right.
Yeah. Not western month. Twelfth month. Every Mhmm. First.
First of April? In in India. Rinpoche. Yeah. Rinpoche.
Arrived in India? Yeah. Arunachal Pradesh. That’s the place? Yeah. I don’t know that place.
Arunachal Pradesh. Yeah. Arunachal Pradesh. Arunachal. Arunachal.
Arunachal. First of April, western month or Tibetan month? Has he lived on western month? Oh, so he arrived on the first of April. Arrived.
Arunachal Pradesh? Yeah. He arrived on Tibetan Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah.
One month or four months and ten days. After leaving Lhasa? Yeah. We did walk. Must be a bad time.
First, his holiness first arrived to India. I remember he said, second his party. Really? Really? Mhmm.
The other Other people, yeah, same. Same time? Yeah. Did any more people join up to Rinpoche’s party, or you just had the thirty all the time? Yeah, Just other people, yeah, joined.
So there was bigger? Yeah, many. How many were with Rinpoche’s group when they arrived in India? Indian people were very strange. While the winter time, they’re not coming to in Tibet in in India.
While this wintertime, very ice in the road and every mountains were everywhere. Ice, not don’t know. They didn’t travel. They didn’t travel. The Indian people didn’t.
No, no, no. Indian people called, Where you come from? Indian people, father name, mother name Uh-huh. And every lease. Uh-huh.
Then, where you come from? He said, Tibet. Then why now not able to in Indian Tibet? Why they are very winter time? It’s not many ice and Mhmm.
Too much ice? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you traveled this was winter.
I don’t know. They they called summer way and winter way. Oh, the traveling for traveling. Yeah, traveling. Ah, so they traveled by the winter way, or by the summer way in winter.
Summer way. They traveled the summer way, but it was winter. He’s tired now or he was tired then? You’re tired. No.
No. I don’t know. I don’t understand, miss you said. Summerway, then Indian people called, why do you come in winter time? I don’t understand.
I think I do. Yeah. They came down in the winter time on the summer way, the summer pass. But it was winter time, wasn’t it? Winter time?